Jump shots are jump shots. If jump shots are OK then there's no reason why jump cues aren't Ok as long as they have a leather tip.
Poll: Should Jump Shots Be Banned?
- Thread starter risky biz
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Jump shots are jump shots. If jump shots are OK then there's no reason why jump cues aren't Ok as long as they have a leather tip.
Skill at what? Video editing?
By the way- what caused all those circular shaped divots on the cloth along the rail at about 2 - 3 seconds in the video? Just curious.
So you are saying you have no proof. I was talking specifically about match play among professional caliber players. You know the ones who have announcers commentating on their play while they are playing? The ones you said were said to be great jumpers by the commentators and then went on to completely blow the shot according to your statement?
Would you change your mind if someone did take the time to compile a list of successful shots vs. unsuccessful ones and the data showed clearly that you were wrong?
It would indeed be humorous to have a video that compared these stats with examples so that every time someone like you came on here we could just post the video to shut you down.
Oh the sorts of things I would employ people to do if I had the resources.....
Dr. Cue - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEWLyhPT9Nw&NR=1 If this was ALL you had with no kick available wouldn't you want a shot at winning the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrHcCBJp0wY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhRdDcKlyZo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz_aERglSgw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwRyaCKQIPc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0C47D85DBF8B63E0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYST5ivfQes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8db1xMPpfo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1MGa11BCew&feature=related
You don't think that this takes skill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNG-bF-z_b8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxzNT5_Fc20&feature=related
Ralf Souquet teaches how to jump using a jump cue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxzNT5_Fc20&feature=related
X-Breaker Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeBilliard
World Champion Po Cheng Kuo
Jump Masse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf4mOspghCI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSMuXWYokG0&feature=related
Jump - 3 Rail Kick Shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joqBwROjkrU&feature=related
Lastly - if it weren't for jump cues then the world might not have this guy and that would be a shame!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96llbzuuyeE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrHcCBJp0wY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhRdDcKlyZo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz_aERglSgw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwRyaCKQIPc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0C47D85DBF8B63E0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYST5ivfQes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8db1xMPpfo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1MGa11BCew&feature=related
You don't think that this takes skill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNG-bF-z_b8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxzNT5_Fc20&feature=related
Ralf Souquet teaches how to jump using a jump cue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxzNT5_Fc20&feature=related
X-Breaker Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeBilliard
World Champion Po Cheng Kuo
Jump Masse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf4mOspghCI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSMuXWYokG0&feature=related
Jump - 3 Rail Kick Shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joqBwROjkrU&feature=related
Lastly - if it weren't for jump cues then the world might not have this guy and that would be a shame!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96llbzuuyeE&feature=related
Talking about it and having it are two different things, aren't they?
If there was a compilation of every jump shot by top pros in tournament play there would be plenty of missed shots, some off the table, some not off the table, a lot with three or more of the balls on the table rearranged in a random, unforeseen manner afterwards, and most of the jump shots employed when a kick was readily available that the player chose not to attempt (because it was "too easy").
Jump shots = sloppy pool.
FoR the third or fourth time- NOT THE POINT.
I edited it for you.
It's not? So you agree that jump shots are difficult and require lots of skill?
If so then why do you want to ban them?
Because they don't require LOTS OF SKILL!!
There are people out there that are more skilled then others at it, that can for the most part control the outcome of the cue ball and even pocket the object ball. But to just get a hit, doesn't require much skill at all!!
Someone said, and I believe it was you, that you could teach a skill level 3 to jump in 5 minutes. Sorry to any skill level 3 out there, but that is not a player of LOTS OF SKILL, so therefore if you can teach them to jump, it doesn't take that much skill.
Um, teaching is the act of transferring knowledge of a skill which once learned by the student becomes a skill that they possess.
You missed the point. Risky biz says that talking about the skill required is not the point. I think it is the point. If we are not talking about the skill involved then what it the point of the initial question?
I would say that teaching is the act of transferring knowledge. Then it is up to that individual to apply that knowledge in order to turn it into a skill.
I think it's better for me to just stay out of the middle of your interaction with Risky Biz! Ding, ding...let the games resume!
kybill9
Banned
Why do you even ask?
Lets say you want to ban jump shots because you cant shoot them.
Ok, I cant make a long cross corner.
LETS BAN LONG CROSS CORNERS!!!!!!!
kybill9
Banned
Cute family. Its a s#$*&^d question. I wish there was a way to delete obvious irrelevant questions or questions that lack any substance. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
kybill9
Banned
The obvious difference between using a shorter cue and a normal cue is that you dont play with a short cue. Making a jump can be considered many ways. There is a jump off the rail that sends the cue ball to the other end You are going to ban that shot?
How about in one pocket when you jump the rack while pocketing a ball and coming back hard against the stack. Are you banning that shot?
If you can jump with a regular cue, its a legal shot. this is a ridiculous thread.
Lets ban kick shots of more than one rail.
Originally Posted by risky biz
FoR the third or fourth time- NOT THE POINT.
For the fourth or fifth time- NOT THE POINT. It's irrelevant whether jump shots require a lot of skill or no skill at all.
"If there was a compilation of every jump shot by top pros in tournament play there would be plenty of missed shots, some off the table, some not off the table, a lot with three or more of the balls on the table rearranged in a random, unforeseen manner afterwards, and most of the jump shots employed when a kick was readily available that the player chose not to attempt (because it was "too easy").
Jump shots = sloppy pool."
FoR the third or fourth time- NOT THE POINT.
For the fourth or fifth time- NOT THE POINT. It's irrelevant whether jump shots require a lot of skill or no skill at all.
"If there was a compilation of every jump shot by top pros in tournament play there would be plenty of missed shots, some off the table, some not off the table, a lot with three or more of the balls on the table rearranged in a random, unforeseen manner afterwards, and most of the jump shots employed when a kick was readily available that the player chose not to attempt (because it was "too easy").
Jump shots = sloppy pool."
Maybe balls go flying off table when you shoot long cross corner shots but they don't when I shoot them.
Maybe balls go flying off table when you shoot kick shots but they don't when I shoot them.
By that logic, we should ban hard breaks.
How many made shots would there be if you made a similar composition of kicks by pros? Not a high percentage, I'll tell you that, certainly a lower percentage than made shots for jumps. How many times when pros kick do 3 or more balls get rearranged on a table? Probably a similar or higher percentage than jumps. By your logic, we should ban kicks because kicks are also sloppy pool, more sloppy than jumps, in fact. Maybe if you hook your opponent, you should just be allowed to take ball in hand automatically so as to avoid sloppy pool altogether. That seems to be the only way your logic works out.
As far as balls flying off the table, among pros that are well versed with jump cues, they are extremely rare. Think Fong Pang Chao or Chin Shun Yang. From what I have seen, there aren't very many American players, if any, that have achieved world class skill in jumping.
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Originally Posted by risky biz
Maybe balls go flying off table when you shoot kick shots but they don't when I shoot them.
Balls don't go flying off the table when I break hard and I don't ever recall seeing that in tournament play among top players. It isn't uncommon at all with jump shots.
Originally Posted by risky biz
For the fourth or fifth time- NOT THE POINT. It's irrelevant whether jump shots require a lot of skill or no skill at all.
"If there was a compilation of every jump shot by top pros in tournament play there would be plenty of missed shots, some off the table, some not off the table, a lot with three or more of the balls on the table rearranged in a random, unforeseen manner afterwards, and most of the jump shots employed when a kick was readily available that the player chose not to attempt (because it was "too easy").
Jump shots = sloppy pool."
If someone has moderate skill with kick shots balls get rearranged in an expected manner or close to it. Jump shots rearrange the table in a completely random manner sort of like throwing a volleyball at the table.
It isn't a very good argument in favor of jump shots if there are only two players in the world who can control a jump shot that well. And, in any case, it still looks like a circus trick.
If they're that good at jumps why can't they kick?
Maybe balls go flying off table when you shoot kick shots but they don't when I shoot them.
Balls don't go flying off the table when I break hard and I don't ever recall seeing that in tournament play among top players. It isn't uncommon at all with jump shots.
Originally Posted by risky biz
For the fourth or fifth time- NOT THE POINT. It's irrelevant whether jump shots require a lot of skill or no skill at all.
"If there was a compilation of every jump shot by top pros in tournament play there would be plenty of missed shots, some off the table, some not off the table, a lot with three or more of the balls on the table rearranged in a random, unforeseen manner afterwards, and most of the jump shots employed when a kick was readily available that the player chose not to attempt (because it was "too easy").
Jump shots = sloppy pool."
If someone has moderate skill with kick shots balls get rearranged in an expected manner or close to it. Jump shots rearrange the table in a completely random manner sort of like throwing a volleyball at the table.
It isn't a very good argument in favor of jump shots if there are only two players in the world who can control a jump shot that well. And, in any case, it still looks like a circus trick.
If they're that good at jumps why can't they kick?