A Plea to Mike Howerton...

tucson9ball

tucson9ball

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Can we please.....PLEASE.....pretty pulleez....get another forum, just for "aiming threads"?

It gets really old, having to wade through all the aiming threads to finally get to something meaningful. Sometimes I have to go to page 2 or 3 to see if a good thread has been pushed back, due to all the crappy aiming thread garbage.

Anyhoo, could somebody please make an extra forum just for these Bozos to discuss aiming.
 
tucson9ball said:
Can we please.....PLEASE.....pretty pulleez....get another forum, just for "aiming threads"?

It gets really old, having to wade through all the aiming threads to finally get to something meaningful. Sometimes I have to go to page 2 or 3 to see if a good thread has been pushed back, due to all the crappy aiming thread garbage.

Anyhoo, could somebody please make an extra forum just for these Bozos to discuss aiming.
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im visiting less and less because of the aiming threads-same ol shit every time.
 
tucson9ball said:
Can we please.....PLEASE.....pretty pulleez....get another forum, just for "aiming threads"?

It gets really old, having to wade through all the aiming threads to finally get to something meaningful. Sometimes I have to go to page 2 or 3 to see if a good thread has been pushed back, due to all the crappy aiming thread garbage.

Anyhoo, could somebody please make an extra forum just for these Bozos to discuss aiming.
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While not normally a fan of "Nazi segregation" of pool-playing subjects that are considered "general" in nature (as opposed to point-purpose subjects, like 14.1, snooker, carom, etc.), I have to say I agree with the above.

Aiming seems like such a generic or general topic, and seems like such a helpful one as well. But unfortunately, this topic has proven to be a lightning rod -- drawing out the same old parties to duke it out, over and over and over. Nothing is ever new. In fact, when a new topic about aiming *IS* attempted as was attempted recently, it very quickly death-spiraled into the same old mess. And the arguments used by the same old factions is, well, same old. In fact, the very finger pointing is the same.

I for one would like to see a new subforum created for Aiming. I know, in the grand scheme of creating and organizing a *pool* and billiards site, it doesn't make sense -- one would've never thought that a subforum just for the point-purpose topic of "aiming" would be needed. But we should look at the fact that operation and maintenance of a site such as this is a LEARNED experience. One learns what needs to be done, and does it. It's called ADAPTATION. Every site experiences this.

We need to ADAPT to the situation that the topic of "aiming" has presented to us. And I think it would be a great move. It would move the troublesome parties to their own area where they can "have at it."

IMHO,
-Sean
 
I totally agree with this idea! But if Mike doesn't want a new sub-forum started, maybe all aiming threads could go into the NPR section since none of the aiming arguments have done anything to further pool.

Roger
 
Add me to the list. The aiming threads just seem to add lots of noise.

Don't get me wrong, it's as valid a topic as any but when it's starts to dominate the main forum threads, it probably needs its own sub forum. No different than the other sub-forums that have spawned off over the years.

That's my 2 cents worth.

(talking about cents, have you guys heard that Canada is about to retire the penny!)

Serge
 
Really?

including the 7 stickies and this thread there are 21 OTHER topics on the current front page along with 2 threads about aiming.

And whether you think it's worth it or not there are people reading and learning. I have met many of them in my travels around the country this time.

So, as distasteful as SOME of the people can be in their pursuit to denigrate those of us who just want to teach what we know to others there is good information that gets through to the readers.
 
JB Cases said:
Really?

including the 7 stickies and this thread there are 21 OTHER topics on the current front page along with 2 threads about aiming.

And whether you think it's worth it or not there are people reading and learning. I have met many of them in my travels around the country this time.

So, as distasteful as SOME of the people can be in their pursuit to denigrate those of us who just want to teach what we know to others there is good information that gets through to the readers.
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And I agree with you about the "some of the readership are actually reading and learning" thing. It's just this topic has PROVEN to be a lightning rod. Make no mistake, if you (the royal you, not you personally, John) create an aiming thread, it is *guaranteed* to bring in the same participants, the same arguments, the same cross words, and the same fingerpointing.

I dare say that a large portion (majority portion?) of the readership is sick of the strife that the aiming threads cause. Some of us hit the boards on 5-minute breaks at work, and although it wasn't the case *at the precise moment* that you checked, a lot of the times the top 5 or 6 threads *are* the aiming threads -- and not for readership / viewership reasons (which would ply to your argument about folks reading/learning), but rather for the same parties going after each other, back and forth, parrying blows in rapid-fire fashion, keeping the thread(s) in those top slots.

There's no reason that can't be done in a separate subforum, *and* still have the dedicated readership/learningship on the student level as well. In fact, I dare say it might even *attract* people there, who are interested in this point-purpose subject. It consolidates the info in one place, making it easier to find.

I think it's a good thing.

Agree, or no?
-Sean
 
JB Cases said:
Really?

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So, as distasteful as SOME of the people can be in their pursuit to denigrate those of us who just want to teach what we know to others there is good information that gets through to the readers.
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Yes, really.

I'm a newb to these forums. I got fascinated reading the recent "Fractional aiming systems" (or something close to that) thread. Kind of the same way you're fascinated watching an automobile accident happen in real time right in front of you.

Regardless of what may have happened in the past, or who "started it", from my snapshot view of these boards, both sides, whatever you may want to call them, are exactly as fractious as the other. I saw a bunch of flamethrowing in that thread, and haven't followed an aiming thread since, once I determined that thread was an aiming thread.

I don't see that having a separate sub-forum for aiming related threads impedes your (or anyone's) ability to teach whatever you wish to teach.

It kind of reminds me of the sterotypical kids in the backseat, with one holding his finger millimeters from the other, saying "I'm not touching you".

I wish it were in a sub forum, as it irks me to see them continually jump to the top of the page, knowing it's just a pissing contest in action.
 
JB Cases said:
Really?

including the 7 stickies and this thread there are 21 OTHER topics on the current front page along with 2 threads about aiming.

And whether you think it's worth it or not there are people reading and learning. I have met many of them in my travels around the country this time.

So, as distasteful as SOME of the people can be in their pursuit to denigrate those of us who just want to teach what we know to others there is good information that gets through to the readers.
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Ok, I may have been a lil harsh with the OP wording. There is merit wth aiming, I just wish it would have it's own sub-forum so....if people wanted to look it up, it would be easy for them.
It just gets old, seeing the same questions and answers over..an over...
 
JB Cases said:
Really?

including the 7 stickies and this thread there are 21 OTHER topics on the current front page along with 2 threads about aiming.

And whether you think it's worth it or not there are people reading and learning. I have met many of them in my travels around the country this time.

So, as distasteful as SOME of the people can be in their pursuit to denigrate those of us who just want to teach what we know to others there is good information that gets through to the readers.
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You and I have sparred before John..and all I can say is, if the powers that be, would give you your own sub-forum, I for one, would be a lot more frequent visitor. I would also promise NEVER to invade you and JoeyA's private turf.

You guys spend about 2-3 posts introducing (and trying to teach the newbies, why yours is best) and the other 4-6-800 posts, are spent arguing, name calling, and bruised ego flaming.

I think what the previous poster meant was, when you guy's get going...your replys come very 'rapid fire', and NO one wants to give an inch, on ANYTHING ! Consequently, all other posts or new threads, work their way off page 1 and 2, real fast...You don't notice it, because you (and 4 or 5 others) are always in the thick of the fray.

There are many more pool related subjects,MUCH more interesting...than aiming systems...You, and your 'birds of a feather' can resume your daily slaughters, unmolested...Jerry or Mike could let it be known, that any "Naysayer's" who butt into your private domain, would face suspension. or worse...Whats wrong with that ? :thumbup:

PS..If you want to point to numbers, the number of posts, (just by you and Joey, and your regular group) are about 3-4 times the number of posts on the "GIF Funny Picture" thread...Say you are not being a little 'hoggish'..:(
 
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JB Cases said:
Really?

including the 7 stickies and this thread there are 21 OTHER topics on the current front page along with 2 threads about aiming.

And whether you think it's worth it or not there are people reading and learning. I have met many of them in my travels around the country this time.

So, as distasteful as SOME of the people can be in their pursuit to denigrate those of us who just want to teach what we know to others there is good information that gets through to the readers.
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Yes, really.

Why not take some of your own advice and simply ignore what you don't like? After all, nobody's making you read this post, just like you told me.

Good, keep meeting "many" in your travels. Just stop spamming. Maybe I should spam with APA threads and talk about how they're the best and that anybody disagreeing with me is out of bounds.

How about those people that teach HAMB or something else? Your little clique of the same 6 people are always aweful quick to jump on them.

Buncha bull is what I think.

Guessing.. that's about as stupid as saying CTE pockets balls in the center under every condition without changes.
 
I am more than happy to set up the area, it will just require a little time to move all of the existing threads into that area.

Mike
 
Neil said:
Why move the aiming threads? Why not address the real problem, those that are there only to disrupt and offer nothing of value? They are the problem, not the topic. If those that don't want to read them stay out of them, no problem.
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Actually it would be nice if we were allowed to moderate the threads we start but then again you would end up with pocketpoint posts that only contained his drivel and no contradictory truths......
 
This is great. Now, every time someone says "CTE" or "BHE" or "System 412", I'm going to tell them to go to their room!
 
AzHousePro said:
I am more than happy to set up the area, it will just require a little time to move all of the existing threads into that area.

Mike
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Mike:

We'll stand by you, I'm sure, in this transition. I think everyone (at least pro-this decision) can agree on that!

I think the boons to the forum are the following:

1. Moves the lightning rod to a dedicated area. Those that wish to participate in the back-and-forth banter, are free to do so, without disturbing or angering the rest of the readership.

2. Centralizes and focuses this point-purpose information. The aiming system advocates will argue against this, saying the information is easy to find with a Search, but putting these threads into a dedicated area *actually accomplishes* this task in a more direct and focused way.

3. Minimizes the trouble-makers (the ones that are anti-aiming system or like instigating the aiming system supporters) from "stumbling" into aiming threads just because "it's right in their face." Now, if they want to cause trouble, they have to *go look* for it by making the conscious decision to go into the aiming forums to do so. And you'll have a no-doubt reason to smashing them with a ban hammer for doing so!

A side benefit to #3 is that it introduces a little bit of "moderation" that the aiming system supporters have continually complained doesn't exist.

I think it's a great thing all around!

-Sean
 
Neil said:
Why move the aiming threads? Why not address the real problem, those that are there only to disrupt and offer nothing of value? They are the problem, not the topic. If those that don't want to read them stay out of them, no problem.
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Sorry Neil, there will ALWAYS be a problem with 'aiming threads'.. Please show me one thread, that hasn't wound up in a name calling, flame war ? I can show you thousands of threads, where everyone was civil to each other. (albeit, not as looooong)..
I know you act as a defense lawyer, for the A.S.S. guys, and a pretty good one too...But, you really have a hopeless case here. :eek:
.....PS..Maybe a blind poll would be a good way to settle it ???.;)
 
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