Why Dennis O is best in world
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Yea its Dennis
I watched all of the matches that Dennis played in Vegas and it is clear that his break in 1o Ball is as good as SVB's. Cue ball in the center, two. three. four balls down and out!!
He has gotten the best of Busta in 10 Ball , in 9 Ball its a coin toss, Busta breaks better in 9 Ball than he does in 10 Ball, but I do think Dennis is the best ther is right now, but its close...., Busta, SVB and Dennis..., its close!
I watched all of the matches that Dennis played in Vegas and it is clear that his break in 1o Ball is as good as SVB's. Cue ball in the center, two. three. four balls down and out!!
He has gotten the best of Busta in 10 Ball , in 9 Ball its a coin toss, Busta breaks better in 9 Ball than he does in 10 Ball, but I do think Dennis is the best ther is right now, but its close...., Busta, SVB and Dennis..., its close!
What do you mean he doesn't play one-pocket? I thought you said Dennis was the best...
Why wouldn't the best in the world play? I don't understand. If Dennis is the best, he would play Shane. You claimed Dennis is the best, but he didn't want to play Shane? I just don't think you have a clue what you're trying to say.
Ocullo MIGHT be the best 10 ball player but that doesn`t mean he is the best pool player.
You can't read anything into 2 guys hanging around at jays house relaxing and doing some friendly woofing for a couple of hundred bucks.
Shane is not only not afraid to play anyone in the world, he will seek them out to play. Just because he loses a couple of times, he doesn't nit up and not play them anymore.
You can't put too much stock into tournament races either, cuz at their level it can boil down to a missed safety or a few bad rolls.
Players have streaks sometimes too.
Its always funny to me in pool, how people will measure a player by a match they might have played years earlier. They might measure someone that they only played a certain person once or twice in several years.
Pool speeds fluctuate all the time based on many factors.
Shane and Dennis are both in the elite few that can be classified as the best in the world.
It should be as simple as this.... Race to 30 (15 in ten ball and 15 in one pocket). In a match like that who would you put your money on? Personally I´d go SVB, I think he´s a better over all player.
So when do we get to see Shane and Wu play?
They don't play One-Pocket in the Philippines, everybody was saying Shane
had the best 10-Ball break in the world and that he was the best 10-Ball player in the world. I'm simply saying he isn't.
If he's the best he would play Dennis 10-Ball for some big money, and he won't. I wish he was, some day I hope he is, now he's not the best 10-Ball player, because and this is real simple the best is Dennis.
Cali, I'm not basing this on anything done at Jays house by the way
simply threw that in for fun.
I Agree with you, Orcollo may be better at 10 ball, but to rate a pool player I think the player should be able to play any pool game with the same ease. That´s why I like Efren and SVB.
Really the guy with the most status (reputation/power) is the one with the most to lose in losing. So if SVB wins what does that do for him compared to his losing? If you are king of the hill why risk losing the crown right. Plus not everbody wants to put up 10K on a roll of the dice.
All this said whn I watched the California finals in 10 ball a few weeks ago, Dennis was definately the stronger player that day. The first half of their set he was a machine, in line nearly every shot and the tough shots went down easy. He has a great game.
The part that sucks is that all these talnted guys need more oppotunies to showcase their talents. That way we can see the outcomes of these matchups.
Perhaps we are reading way too much into this. Both players want to play the game they feel gives them the BEST chance at winning. I don't believe either player fears anyone else at any game, but as I've heard more than once-don't play the other guy's game. Dennis O is more comfortable playing 10 ball, for good reason-He's proven he can win against anybody. Shane wants to play one pocket for the same reason. When we start talking about best in the world, there are very few players who you can say that they are NEVER an underdog, because they've proven they are champions. Orcullo, SVB, Appleton, Souquet, and Bustamante come to my mind, but I'm sure there are a few more. Just a thought
That argument might hold were it not for the fact that Shane is not the king of the hill by any means.
Here's a list of some of the people he has to decisively beat before even being considered for that title.
Dennis Orcollo
Yang Chin Shun
Francisco Bustamante
Chang Jun Lin
Wu Chia Ching
Lee Van Corteza
Alex Pagulayan (they are 1 and 1 on TAR correct?)
In that match Dennis missed 1 easy shot four games in a roll, and got safe on everyone. That was the difference in that match. A race in a tournament does not tell who the best player is anyway. Who put Dennis in the losers side. It should also have been a true double elimination, and Shane would have been a big favorite.
Speaking of being clueless, my friend you win that hands down!
Shane won't play Dennis in 10-Ball, reason Shane can't win.
Stop being so sillyand face the facts.
It doesn't make you a bad person, because you're wrong!
itsfroze walks into the pool room and shouts, "I'm the best player in here."
James says, "I'll play you some 8ball."
itsfroze says, "I don't play 8ball."
Danny says, "I'll play you some one-pocket."
itsfroze says, "I don't play one-pocket."
Kevin says, "I'll play you some 9ball."
itsfroze says, "I don't play 9ball."
The only fact is that itsfroze is a nit. The best player is willing to play. So yeah, maybe you should go back and read what you said and see how stupid it sounds.
Btw: I bet even on Francisco when he played Shane.
Are you saying Dennis is not the best because he doesn't play one pocket as well as Shane? That's retarded.
The only fair way to discuss the best pool player in the world is by comparing who is the best at the game most common in international professional competition. That would be either 9 or 10 ball, both of which Dennis is willing to play. In Mosconi's day it was straight pool and he was considered the best even though he didn't play 9 ball or one pocket.
If the best had to be able to play every game at the top level, it would be impossible to have any discussion on who is the best because you could always come up with some obscure gaff game that the contender is not familiar with.
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This is the best response on here imo. Both are GREAT players, no question about it. And both can play tourneys or action games equally well. But when they get together they will each want to exploit any advantage they think they have. Fact is Dennis is not as comfortable playing One Pocket yet as he is Ten Ball. And Shane is! So what's the surprise here.
By the way 9-8 is a very small spot, not a full ball, only half a ball. So Dennis is coming up fast at One Pocket. By next year he won't get a spot from anyone. P.S. He won 4-3 yesterday in the one set they played! So they broke even overall. This is a very close game, just like it would be at Ten Ball.
IMO when you're talking about the very best pool players in the world, there is not much to separate them. Any one of the top ten guys can beat any one of the others on a given day. NO ONE is dominant! But there may well be 10 to 15 players who are clearly above the pack. These are the guys who know how to win the big ones. Shane and Dennis are definitely two of them!
I'd say there are at least 50 elite level players on the planet today, some of whom don't make it to all the international events. Ten each in China, Taiwan, Philippines, Europe and the rest of the world including USA. It's not only Shane who is capable of holding his own internationally. Johnny, Dennis Hatch, Rodney, Dechaine, Stevie and Corey are still elite level players. A few more guys like Brandon are knocking on the door.
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