Coach Lee Brett • A perfect example of

This video mark is ONE PERFECT example of what Coach Lee Brett teaches in his video about "getting your cue through the cue ball".

Oh vey. This is a PERFECT example of poor grammar. I haven't seen the video so I'm baffled as to what "getting your cue through the cue ball" actually means. Does it mean using follow through on the shot? Or does it mean staying down on the shot and standing up and resetting yourself if necessary before taking your shot? Or does it mean something else?
 
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I'm very serious. It does matter greatly why you miss.

Are you serious? Of course Landon uses CTE/Pro1 on every shot.


Just having fun Joey.:grin:

I was curious about Landon because of the speed in which he takes for some shots.
 
Joey would you recommend Lee to any level player?

I have Lee's dvd "The Secret Art of Pool", and I met him in person when I watched him play at Tunica, nice guy. He has a "coaching" style of teaching which suits me. In my opinion, the dvd is well worth the $$$.
 
im with the ones that see the mistake of not lining up "outside the box" and stepping into his stance and allignment
he went around the table straight into the shot
 
Oh vey. This is a PERFECT example of poor grammar. I haven't seen the video so I'm baffled as to what "getting your cue through the cue ball" actually means. Does it mean using follow through on the shot? Or does it mean staying down on the shot and standing up and resetting yourself if necessary before taking your shot? Or does it mean something else?

Oy veh. Lol. You shit-stirrers would rather run around correcting typos, disguising your hate and insecurities with silly questions rather than trying to correct your own miserable pool game or trying to help someone else.
 
Oy veh. Lol. You shit-stirrers would rather run around correcting typos, disguising your hate and insecurities with silly questions rather than trying to correct your own miserable pool game or trying to help someone else.

Thank you, Joey. You've been reported for engaging in name-calling, ad hominem attacks and insults:

"You shit-stirrers would rather run around correcting typos, disguising your hate and insecurities with silly questions rather than trying to correct your own miserable pool game or trying to help someone else."
 
Thank you, Joey. You've been reported for engaging in name-calling, ad hominem attacks and insults:

"You shit-stirrers would rather run around correcting typos, disguising your hate and insecurities with silly questions rather than trying to correct your own miserable pool game or trying to help someone else."

Are you bored, now that JB doesn't come around here any more? Is JoeyA your go-to guy now?

Glad to see you're still the champion of the phrase "ad hominem"...though that About.com guy that's messing with Sean in the aiming forum is trying to steal your crown.
 
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Oh my Joey, you've been reported, by a Poolshark no less! I hope you can sleep at night! ;) LOL.. Some folks just make me say... WOW Really..
 
Well, I'm sure Brett's a fine coach, and followthrough is important, but is it really an example of "incredible information that is seldom shared in a video format"?

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Have you seen the video?

Joey:

Actually, Pat has a point. All too often (but not necessarily in Lee's case), marketing folks "trying to invent a new mousetrap" will invent new lingo to describe something that already has well-founded and understood terms to describe it. But people will "bite" on the new lingo, thinking the item/issue it describes as something newly-discovered / newly-tagged. It's the same ol' marketing exploitation all over again. As a sales guy yourself, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

In Lee's case, however, it's more a case of different lingo used by Brits vs. Americans. I certainly don't attribute Lee's lingo to be malicious/exploitive marketing as I've described or as Pat suspects. In the UK, they say "getting through the ball." Here, we say simply, "follow-through."

And, Lee's DVD is excellent! I have it, and I'm still going through it as I have the time. He does use different lingo, but I'm familiar with that lingo, being an ex-Navy man that'd spent some time in the UK and their "colonies." ;)

As for what I see Earl doing wrong in that match (I watched the whole match, btw, not just the missed 10-ball), he did two things wrong: 1) he didn't step correctly into/into the shot line, and tried to adjust later; 2.) exaggerated elbow drop -- it's one thing to utilize elbow drop; it's quite another when you don't stroke the ball properly and kinda just "drop your arm into the ball." If you watch Earl's stroke carefully in that one, you'll see point #2 in all its glory. He just kind of lazily dropped his arm into the ball, instead of actually stroking it. I don't think the cue tip went more than an inch into the space formerly occupied by the cue ball.

-Sean
 
Last month I was in Plush Pocket by Van Nuys airport. I ran into Ron Rosas giving a lesson and Ron was teaching the guy not to follow thru. I have seen lots of really good/pro players just punch at the ball. Works for some. Back in the day Ron was good enough to beat Earl in a Tourny.
 
Take no shot for granted.

Joey:

Actually, Pat has a point. All too often (but not necessarily in Lee's case), marketing folks "trying to invent a new mousetrap" will invent new lingo to describe something that already has well-founded and understood terms to describe it. But people will "bite" on the new lingo, thinking the item/issue it describes as something newly-discovered / newly-tagged. It's the same ol' marketing exploitation all over again. As a sales guy yourself, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

In Lee's case, however, it's more a case of different lingo used by Brits vs. Americans. I certainly don't attribute Lee's lingo to be malicious/exploitive marketing as I've described or as Pat suspects. In the UK, they say "getting through the ball." Here, we say simply, "follow-through."

And, Lee's DVD is excellent! I have it, and I'm still going through it as I have the time. He does use different lingo, but I'm familiar with that lingo, being an ex-Navy man that'd spent some time in the UK and their "colonies." ;)

As for what I see Earl doing wrong in that match (I watched the whole match, btw, not just the missed 10-ball), he did two things wrong: 1) he didn't step correctly into/into the shot line, and tried to adjust later; 2.) exaggerated elbow drop -- it's one thing to utilize elbow drop; it's quite another when you don't stroke the ball properly and kinda just "drop your arm into the ball." If you watch Earl's stroke carefully in that one, you'll see point #2 in all its glory. He just kind of lazily dropped his arm into the ball, instead of actually stroking it. I don't think the cue tip went more than an inch into the space formerly occupied by the cue ball.

-Sean

I understand what you are saying about Patrick's perspective but I wanted to know if he had seen the video in its entirety. Then maybe he could give an informed opinion about the video having or not having an enormous amount of instructional video not normally seen on pool instructional video.

Getting back to the main point of this thread, I thought I would bring attention to a simple faux pas by one of America's greatest pool players so that we all might learn from his mistake.

I'm glad many of you took the time to pay such close attention to such a simple shot.

As a "sales guy" I know that some people will respond differently to the same piece of information, when it is expressed in a different way AND THAT IS A GOOD THING. It's why author's continue writing books and why new videos are coming out every day in addition to making a dollar. :wink: You can stop the tide, Sean. You will be assimilated. :)
 
Last month I was in Plush Pocket by Van Nuys airport. I ran into Ron Rosas giving a lesson and Ron was teaching the guy not to follow thru. I have seen lots of really good/pro players just punch at the ball. Works for some. Back in the day Ron was good enough to beat Earl in a Tourny.

Was that back when pockets were 5" wide, and the rails banked same angle in same angle out and hardly anyone knew how to play?:grin: J/k. That is interesting for sure. I imagine if you have a crooked stroke, it might be an advantage to not follow through. Still, I'm not so sure of the benefit of not following through. Did you reach a conclusion as to why one should not follow through?

Thanks,
Joey
 
I think the only players I see not having a nice follow-though are 1-P and straight pool players who don't need to move the ball around and are usually shooting short shots. Look how Grady and Ronnie shoot, Hopkins as well. All 1-P or 14.1 specialists.

Landon does not line up the CTE aiming line in each shot, he may have learned to aim well using it, but when he was playing, he was getting down right in line without any of the ball corners to side to angle correction shift rotate that guys that use CTE do. There is a guy that plays in a tournament I go to, he waves his stick around in the air lining up shots with CTE, he makes the balls well, but is annoying as heck watching him get in the shot, looks like he's conducting with his cue each shot.
 
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Are you bored, now that JB doesn't come around here any more? Is JoeyA your go-to guy now?

Glad to see you're still the champion of the phrase "ad hominem"...though that About.com guy that's messing with Sean in the aiming forum is trying to steal your crown.

I actually understand that each of us has a basic need to have our few minutes in the sun. The sun is there for all of us.

Unfortunately, there are a few people on AZBilliards who choose to stalk posters and needle them just so as they can get a rise out of them. When that is your only contribution to the forum, it sadly becomes apparent even to the moderators who can't and don't keep up with the hundreds and thousands of posters who pass through this forum.

Poolshark Allen is one of those, unfortunately. I truly wish I could say otherwise.
 
Are you bored, now that JB doesn't come around here any more? Is JoeyA your go-to guy now?

Glad to see you're still the champion of the phrase "ad hominem"...though that About.com guy that's messing with Sean in the aiming forum is trying to steal your crown.
Dub, We have forum rules that specify that posters will not be attacked, insulted or called names for expressing a opinion. Even with those rules in place, certain members especially from the so-called yeahsayer camp oftentimes take liberties in violating the forum rules.
 
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Dub, We have forum rules that specify that posters will not be attacked, insulted or called names for expressing a opinion. Even with those rules in place, certain members especially from the so-called yeahsayer camp oftentimes take liberties in violating the forum rules.

I am familiar with the rules.

I am also familiar with you reciting them, usually in reply to one or two specific forum members. You don't seem to be rushing to the front, waving the rules and "ad hominem's" around, unless it's in reply to those specific members. Many, many, many others break those rules, far more flagrantly and frequently than JoeyA has. Where are you then?

Mr.Wilson does a pretty good job enforcing reasonable behavior around here. Did he deputize you?
 
I think the only players I see not having a nice follow-though are 1-P and straight pool players who don't need to move the ball around and are usually shooting short shots. Look how Grady and Ronnie shoot, Hopkins as well. All 1-P or 14.1 specialists.

Landon does not line up the CTE aiming line in each shot, he may have learned to aim well using it, but when he was playing, he was getting down right in line without any of the ball corners to side to angle correction shift rotate that guys that use CTE do. There is a guy that plays in a tournament I go to, he waves his stick around in the air lining up shots with CTE, he makes the balls well, but is annoying as heck watching him get in the shot, looks like he's conducting with his cue each shot.

Good point about the disciplines having a lot to do with not following through, as well as the players. That's about as good an explanation as I have seen.

However, when a player uses CTE/Pro1, you, nor anyone else can tell if they are using it. CTE/Pro1 is a comprehensive method for automatically aligning, aiming and shooting a shot. CTE on the other hand, normally includes the manual pivoting which many object to. That being said, I recommend that people learn the manual pivoting first before moving on to the automatic aspect of shooting with CTE/Pro1.

Seriously though, CTE/Pro1 is simply a visual perspective that enhances a person's alignment, focus, confidence and ability to aim better.

It is not difficult to do. Once you learn how to do it correctly, it is just as simple as aiming any other way except you have some references and guidlinesto get you to the perfect sight picture. That being said, if you don't need any help in getting to the perfect sight picture, don't use it or anything else. You may already be there and what's the sense in trying to learn how to do something that you already know how to do well?

I have for the most part, put manual CTE behind me. I too, think that the manual movements of CTE are good for learning the system, to play at the highest level, you must eventually move on to the more fluid aspects of Pro1.

For the record, I know for a fact, that PROFESSIONAL POOL PLAYERS are
expressing more and more interest in CTE/Pro1 and this was before Landon had his fine match with Earl Strickland.
 
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Getting back to the main point of this thread, I thought I would bring attention to a simple faux pas by one of America's greatest pool players so that we all might learn from his mistake.

I'm glad many of you took the time to pay such close attention to such a simple shot.

Yup, when you point out stuff like this, I'm sure a LOT of folks check it out -- I know I do. And as soon as you used the word "painful" -- even though I'd not clicked on the video link yet -- I knew the shot you were talking about, because I had already watched the match previously.

Like I said, Earl did two things wrong: 1.) didn't situate himself correctly on the shot line and tried to correct after already down on the shot; and 2.) he "dropped his arm into the cue ball" rather than *stroking* the ball.

As a "sales guy" I know that some people will respond differently to the same piece of information, when it is expressed in a different way AND THAT IS A GOOD THING. It's why author's continue writing books and why new videos are coming out every day in addition to making a dollar. :wink: You can stop the tide, Sean. You will be assimilated. :)

See? Thank you, Joey. You even helped illustrate -- inadvertently on your part, because sales/marketing is so ingrained in your psyche -- what I was trying to say. Sales folk use the "different people responding differently to different lingo" as a defensive and evasive shield when called-out on this tactic. That's all it is. At the core, it's just trying to invent new terms or phrases to describe well-known issues that already have established names, specifically for the purpose of "renewing" or "reinvigorating" a sales pipeline into that issue. Classic examples? "COPD" and "PAD" invented by the pharmaceutical companies.

As for me, I'm not trying to stop it. I just step aside and let it whiz past me, pointing my finger at it and laughing all the way. :p

-Sean
 
Yup, when you point out stuff like this, I'm sure a LOT of folks check it out -- I know I do. And as soon as you used the word "painful" -- even though I'd not clicked on the video link yet -- I knew the shot you were talking about, because I had already watched the match previously.

Like I said, Earl did two things wrong: 1.) didn't situate himself correctly on the shot line and tried to correct after already down on the shot; and 2.) he "dropped his arm into the cue ball" rather than *stroking* the ball.



See? Thank you, Joey. You even helped illustrate -- inadvertently on your part, because sales/marketing is so ingrained in your psyche -- what I was trying to say. Sales folk use the "different people responding differently to different lingo" as a defensive and evasive shield when called-out on this tactic. That's all it is. At the core, it's just trying to invent new terms or phrases to describe well-known issues that already have established names, specifically for the purpose of "renewing" or "reinvigorating" a sales pipeline into that issue. Classic examples? "COPD" and "PAD" invented by the pharmaceutical companies.

As for me, I'm not trying to stop it. I just step aside and let it whiz past me, pointing my finger at it and laughing all the way. :p

-Sean

Sean, you just don't get it. :grin:The "artists" who create these new methods of expression are simply "helping" those who didn't "get it" from other inspired works of art.

You aren't stepping aside and letting the new methods of expression pass you by. You are mainstream and you are wringing your hands with anticipation for the next great pool instructional video to come along. :winknudge: Glad that a very good player like yourself found value in Coach Lee Brett's video. :smile:
 
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