with $50K on line, i am inclined to bet that at least have of those games, all balls will be up table, and at least 2 hrs to finish each of them, that is 16 hours minimum for those 8 games, even with best power one pocket players, Efren does not care he will push all balls up table and he knows he will win most of those games for sure. Long race in one pocket brings in additional factor to the game and that is Odds and percentages play; he who can manage those well will eventually win
$50,000.00 Match
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with $50K on line, i am inclined to bet that at least have of those games, all balls will be up table, and at least 2 hrs to finish each of them, that is 16 hours minimum for those 8 games, even with best power one pocket players, Efren does not care he will push all balls up table and he knows he will win most of those games for sure. Long race in one pocket brings in additional factor to the game and that is Odds and percentages play; he who can manage those well will eventually win
Frost and Shane hooked up fairly recent and broke even IIRC. so there's that, but you miss the point again. I know Shane is not the best player in the world, but top 5 on any given day. The point is not that he's better, it's that to bet on SVB you have to give weight.
And further more, IF Shane chose to he would be brilliant at straight pool too. the last time he was in town i saw him play just a little, and he cracked more than a few 100 ball runs.
Dr, people like you make me LMAO, you think I'm a Shane hugger, but for all your tough talk I'm guessing you want no part of putting any one in the box with SVB. You think this kid can't do this or that, and to tell you the truth, I THINK YOUR WRONG. The DCC this year was not a fluke, and look at the small body of work he has put together in the last 5 or so years. This kid has ice in his veins, and the ability to do anything he tries to on a pool table. the best part is he has not peeked yet.
So call me a Shane hugger or what ever, he's the local boy from where i live so you're damn right I pull for him to do well. Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I'm not realistic.
I'll put it out there again, IF YOU THINK SVB WILL LOSE AT THIS GAME OR THAT GAME, WHAT KIND OF WEIGHT CAN I GET TO BET ON HIM???
best,
Justin
Efren is in the final 4 in the world straight pool and doesn't play or practice the game really....How strong is that....
I think this shows class on Scott's part.
Bring It On
Efren is the best to have ever played the game.
He is in the final 4 in World Straight Pool, unbelievable but true.
Scott is no dummy he respects Efren, because Scott knows about the gambling game.
The more money on the line the better Efren will play.
When, I brought Francisco to Mountain View he won everything !!!
No one wanted any part of Francisco. We were hoping for SVB, but he didn't attend.
Stamina? Francisco came in from the Philippines with only 3 hours rest in 3 days.
The Filipino's have a hunger for gambling that I cannot explain.
It is in their blood.......grin !!!
My Dad was a big time gambler in the Filipino community.
They used to say "Tommy doesn't care about money all he cares about is Chicken Blood".
He is fighting his roosters in the "Big Sky Now". Love you Dad.
Efren is the best to have ever played the game.
He is in the final 4 in World Straight Pool, unbelievable but true.
Scott is no dummy he respects Efren, because Scott knows about the gambling game.
The more money on the line the better Efren will play.
When, I brought Francisco to Mountain View he won everything !!!
No one wanted any part of Francisco. We were hoping for SVB, but he didn't attend.
Stamina? Francisco came in from the Philippines with only 3 hours rest in 3 days.
The Filipino's have a hunger for gambling that I cannot explain.
It is in their blood.......grin !!!
My Dad was a big time gambler in the Filipino community.
They used to say "Tommy doesn't care about money all he cares about is Chicken Blood".
He is fighting his roosters in the "Big Sky Now". Love you Dad.
Scott always a gentleman
Nice thread Joey.
I read everyone's posts. Nice debate but useless.
I am 99% sure Efren will not take this format in consideration. He knows his limits better than anyone else at the table. He won't take a race to 15 ever, IMO. Not at this time.
On the other side Scott's a gentleman as he always was. He loves 1p more than anyone and he knows that this game is based on mutual respect.
IMO, a ScottF vs. EfrenR 1p match is possible and will be a hell of a game for spectators. I'll take Scott.
Sorry for those who still believe that Shane is capable to defeat Efren in this game, I don't. Not because he's not a good shooter but because he misses a lot when it comes to pressure. 50.000$ that's not pressure, it's like a truck hitting a beetle.
Chris
Nice thread Joey.
I read everyone's posts. Nice debate but useless.
I am 99% sure Efren will not take this format in consideration. He knows his limits better than anyone else at the table. He won't take a race to 15 ever, IMO. Not at this time.
On the other side Scott's a gentleman as he always was. He loves 1p more than anyone and he knows that this game is based on mutual respect.
IMO, a ScottF vs. EfrenR 1p match is possible and will be a hell of a game for spectators. I'll take Scott.
Sorry for those who still believe that Shane is capable to defeat Efren in this game, I don't. Not because he's not a good shooter but because he misses a lot when it comes to pressure. 50.000$ that's not pressure, it's like a truck hitting a beetle.
Chris
You are right, all Filipino's gamble big in every thing, cards, pool, bowling, dogs fighting, roosters fight you name it, their culture excepts it well. I used to manage 50 Filipino workers back home, and when it is time to give them their salary all will be gathered and pass on the bet money they owe, some would give all their salary that day. One would think they will take it easy on each other, no way they collect every bet. You can call it experience in gambling win or loose they do not care, their turn to win will come.
For those who think Scott will win a long race do not know one pocket yet!
Pure speculation and conjecture. As usual
Let's take stamina out of the equation. Maybe Efren can't play non-stop like he used to. I'm sure Scott wouldn't mind taking stamina out of the equation to settle this once and for all. I can tell you from "up close and personal" that Scott is playing his best one pocket ever. He's camped out at Buffalo Billiards like a '49er panning for gold.
Since Efren is old and can't cut the mustard like he used to, let's say that they play 16 games per day for two days. That's like a race to 8 but the numbers just carry over to the next day. The match is still a race to 15.
I still hear many people on both sides of the fence saying Efren will win and others saying Efren can't win.
Which is it, stamina aside?
Let's not leave out Gabe Owen, Jeremy Jones because these two if they ever get into stroke; well, let's just say they don't have to lose against ANYONE.
Since Efren is old and can't cut the mustard like he used to, let's say that they play 16 games per day for two days. That's like a race to 8 but the numbers just carry over to the next day. The match is still a race to 15.
I still hear many people on both sides of the fence saying Efren will win and others saying Efren can't win.
Which is it, stamina aside?
Let's not leave out Gabe Owen, Jeremy Jones because these two if they ever get into stroke; well, let's just say they don't have to lose against ANYONE.
All the players mentioned are great players but to use my buddies phrase. Those guys would rather try to put lipstick on a rattlesnake than F*** with Efren playing him even one pocket for $ 50,000
Scott has strong financial backers. A 25K bet is not that big for the Scott crew. If his backers feel the game is right, Scott will play for some big money. If Scott and Efren match ever take place, I will bet a sizable amount on Scott.
Even though Shane's 1-pocket game has grown leaps and bounds, at this moment, Shane will still need a little weight to make it an even game. I would like to see Shane play guys like JJ, Schmidt, Silver first before playing Efren.
Even though Shane's 1-pocket game has grown leaps and bounds, at this moment, Shane will still need a little weight to make it an even game. I would like to see Shane play guys like JJ, Schmidt, Silver first before playing Efren.
I know Scott "supposedly" won against Efren a while back and selling the CD, had Efren won the CD sale would have doubled probably, assuming that match is legit, Efren had the taste of defeat with Scott and i am sure he remembers that match and i am sure Efren will put the squeeze on Scott, like he does with Cliff Joyner matches.
DrOnePocket
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You are right about one thing..... I won't be backing anyone against anyone. Pool players are pieces of trash for the most part and will cut you up in a second. I will however make you the same offer i made RKC. If the game happens, we can make a friendly wager and you can keep your games on the wire.
No doubt
If Shannon was in action at all and practiced as half as much as any of these other guys that have been mentioned, he would give any of them all they want in terms of a good match.
If Shannon was in action at all and practiced as half as much as any of these other guys that have been mentioned, he would give any of them all they want in terms of a good match.
I agree mostly with what you're saying here however I think instead of who gets to x number isn't a great way to do it either. Instead if its a race to 15, play 8 games on day 1, 8 games on day 2 and 9 games on day 3. OR better yet, just play 11 games a day for 3 days and whoever wins the most games wins the cheese. Damn these races, just most games wins, no destination number...
Efren knows so much more about the way the balls roll than any other human, nothing he does now or anytime surprises me at all. Seriously, nobody has more knowledge or even as much knowledge as he does...
Silly for Efren of course, he is near my age. However not so silly for Shane or Scott, they have the young legs.
In the past years, 18-24 hours of play was pretty common.
