Does this mean you won't be participating in the forum anymore? That would be a shame.
John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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Does this mean you won't be participating in the forum anymore? That would be a shame.
Hurricane Isaac is past me now. Yesterday, I replaced the damaged wind turbine on top of my house, since I couldn't get a roofer to come out and do it for me. They've got bigger fish to fry.
I've been back to the forum and posted in a couple of threads since Isaac but I have by-passed this thread because of it's size and I have tried to turn a blind eye toward some of the posters on this site. It appears that even without my presence, they have attempted to alienate TOP PLAYERS that could elevate any of our games.
Thankfully, CJ and Stan have not turned and walked away from the forums altogether.
To the discussion of the three parts of the pocket by CJ:
After reading through all of the posts, (yes, I am a glutton for punishment) especially the last hundred or so posts, CJ has a method for making the pocket consistently and "effectively larger".
1. I think CJ is saying that you can increase the consistency of your ball pocketing skills by aiming the object ball toward the closest side/edge of the pocket, by simultaneously using a touch of inside (not spin).
2. For example purposes, if you are cutting an object ball to the left, you would aim the object ball toward the right side of the pocket, using a touch of inside English but it is so small that there is very little spin on the cue ball, and if you hit the cue ball precisely where you intended to, the object ball will split the pocket. If you hit a little to the right of where you intended to hit the cue ball, you will still make the object ball in the right portion of the pocket. If you hit the cue ball a little further left of center than you anticipated, the object ball will most likely hit the far outside of the pocket facing and still pocket the ball.
3. Nick Varner (another WORLD CHAMPION) talked about this aiming method at Buffalo Billiards several months ago. To be quite honest, I didn't fully grasp what Nick meant by "I always shoot the object ball to the closest side of the pocket". He probably elaborated why but I didn't fully get it until I read all of CJ's laborious efforts to inform the less talented players in this forum.
4. A side note: By not using outside English (which would help eliminate spin transfer to the object ball), this allows a slight amount of "helping English", if the object ball hits the closest side rail going in or if the object ball hits the outter facing, the object ball will have the "better" spin allowing it to better glance off of the facing and fall to bottom of the pocket, rather than be rejected with the opposite English. I don't know if I made sense or not but this is how I understand it, and it makes perfect sense to me.
I have been using a touch of inside on many shots in the last year or so, but I never thought of it as increasing the pocket size and only thought of it as "reducing the amount of unwanted side spin" on the object ball. In cutting balls to the left, I don't want left English on the object ball because if the object ball hits the side rail going in, there is little chance that the object ball will fall. If the object ball has no English transferred or if it has a tiny bit of right hand spin (in this case), the object ball will pocket.
That's my rather long-winded interpretation of what I read and although I am almost rum-dumb from doing so, I think I got it. If not, I'm sure someone will let me know otherwise.
Anyway, in summary, CJ, most everyone on this forum has enjoyed your being here and we hope that you will visit often. You, like Gene Albrecht have weathered the "few" hard-headed tools of the forum and we look forward to your NEW POOL INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO.
Thank you CJ and Stan for making this a more valuable thread, worth reading.
Oh btw, do we have a FINISH date for the video on Earl's MILLION DOLLAR SCORE?
I think it should be mentioned that this is an approximation on most shots that's "adjusted" consciously or subconsciously and might not work consistently for some.
pj
chgo
I wasn't talking about spin at all. You say you cue it a bit off center to the inside to create some squirt. Although many people would call it "english" if it is creating squirt, I understand what you are saying. Please read my post #814 again and respond to my point about which side of the pocket you aim toward to allow squirt from an inside hit on the CB to increase the cut angle and minimize the possibility of undercutting the shot. The undercut side of the pocket is not always the closer side.
Example (sorry for the lack of a diagram). Stand at the foot of the table. Put the CB on the foot rail on the first diamond from the pocket to your right. Put the OB 6 inches out from the center diamond on the same cushion. Shoot to the corner pocket that's about 2 diamonds away on the same cushion (to your left). This is a simple cut shot to the left. The closer side of the pocket is the one adjacent to the foot rail. But if you cue to the inside (left of center) and achieve a bit of squirt of the CB to the right, then you need to aim to the right side of the pocket, which is not the closer side.
But it is the side that requires less cut, which I believe is the intention of the technique. I don't want to speak for CJ, but to me, I interpret what he has been saying to aim to the side of the pocket that requires less cut. He calls is the closer side because in most of the cases that is true.
It is not easy to write words that are 100% accurate of the intention. Ever read a legal document ? It is written to be as close as possible to 100% accurate in it's wording. How easy is that legal document to read and interpret ? For me and most people, not so easy, which is why we hire lawyers to review legal documents.
For CJ's technique, I think his intentions and explanations are pretty obvious despite his wording may not be 100% accurate in all cases.
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faithhealer
New member
There are three parts of the pocket: left side, center and right side
1) I aim at the right hand side of the pocket and hit the cue ball half a tip to the left of center.
If I hit the CB where I wanted the OB will go to the center of the pocket.
If I hit the CB right to where I wanted (center of CB) the OB will go to the right side of the pocket.
If I hit the CB left to where I wanted the OB will go to the left side of the pocket.
2) Now I aim at the center of the pocket and hit the cue ball dead center.
If I hit the CB where I wanted the OB will go to the center of the pocket.
If I hit the CB right to where I wanted the OB will go to the right side of the pocket.
If I hit the CB left to where I wanted the OB will go to the left side of the pocket.
What’s the difference?
1) I aim at the right hand side of the pocket and hit the cue ball half a tip to the left of center.
If I hit the CB where I wanted the OB will go to the center of the pocket.
If I hit the CB right to where I wanted (center of CB) the OB will go to the right side of the pocket.
If I hit the CB left to where I wanted the OB will go to the left side of the pocket.
2) Now I aim at the center of the pocket and hit the cue ball dead center.
If I hit the CB where I wanted the OB will go to the center of the pocket.
If I hit the CB right to where I wanted the OB will go to the right side of the pocket.
If I hit the CB left to where I wanted the OB will go to the left side of the pocket.
What’s the difference?
Living Legend
Banned
on all cut shots to the left, the right side (outside) of the pocket is considered closer to the ob ball, i believe. The right side of the pocket will always be your target unles a situation has come up on left cuts. You should have a feeling of over cutting the ob ball while hitting the cb off center to the inside ... My take on this technique so far.
I am pretty sure i understand the technique and all its advantages and I will try it out when i hit a room.
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Well, if that is the case, I just don't know what "outside" is. I thought that if you were cutting a ball to the left, then like you said, the right side would be considered closer to the OB, but I always considered that "right side" the "inside of the pocket", rather than the outside.
But maybe I'm wrong.
Hurricane Isaac is past me now. Yesterday, I replaced the damaged wind turbine on top of my house, since I couldn't get a roofer to come out and do it for me. They've got bigger fish to fry.
I've been back to the forum and posted in a couple of threads since Isaac but I have by-passed this thread because of it's size and I have tried to turn a blind eye toward some of the posters on this site. It appears that even without my presence, they have attempted to alienate TOP PLAYERS that could elevate any of our games.
Thankfully, CJ and Stan have not turned and walked away from the forums altogether.
To the discussion of the three parts of the pocket by CJ:
After reading through all of the posts, (yes, I am a glutton for punishment) especially the last hundred or so posts, CJ has a method for making the pocket consistently and "effectively larger".
1. I think CJ is saying that you can increase the consistency of your ball pocketing skills by aiming the object ball toward the closest side/edge of the pocket, by simultaneously using a touch of inside (not spin).
2. For example purposes, if you are cutting an object ball to the left, you would aim the object ball toward the right side of the pocket, using a touch of inside English but it is so small that there is very little spin on the cue ball, and if you hit the cue ball precisely where you intended to, the object ball will split the pocket. If you hit a little to the right of where you intended to hit the cue ball, you will still make the object ball in the right portion of the pocket. If you hit the cue ball a little further left of center than you anticipated, the object ball will most likely hit the far outside of the pocket facing and still pocket the ball.
3. Nick Varner (another WORLD CHAMPION) talked about this aiming method at Buffalo Billiards several months ago. To be quite honest, I didn't fully grasp what Nick meant by "I always shoot the object ball to the closest side of the pocket". He probably elaborated why but I didn't fully get it until I read all of CJ's laborious efforts to inform the less talented players in this forum.
4. A side note: By not using outside English (which would help eliminate spin transfer to the object ball), this allows a slight amount of "helping English", if the object ball hits the closest side rail going in or if the object ball hits the outter facing, the object ball will have the "better" spin allowing it to better glance off of the facing and fall to bottom of the pocket, rather than be rejected with the opposite English. I don't know if I made sense or not but this is how I understand it, and it makes perfect sense to me.[/B
]I have been using a touch of inside on many shots in the last year or so, but I never thought of it as increasing the pocket size and only thought of it as "reducing the amount of unwanted side spin" on the object ball. In cutting balls to the left, I don't want left English on the object ball because if the object ball hits the side rail going in, there is little chance that the object ball will fall. If the object ball has no English transferred or if it has a tiny bit of right hand spin (in this case), the object ball will pocket.
That's my rather long-winded interpretation of what I read and although I am almost rum-dumb from doing so, I think I got it. If not, I'm sure someone will let me know otherwise.
Anyway, in summary, CJ, most everyone on this forum has enjoyed your being here and we hope that you will visit often. You, like Gene Albrecht have weathered the "few" hard-headed tools of the forum and we look forward to your NEW POOL INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO.
Thank you CJ and Stan for making this a more valuable thread, worth reading.
Oh btw, do we have a FINISH date for the video on Earl's MILLION DOLLAR SCORE?
Welcome back.
The bolded, to me, makes the pocket effectively larger and increases your percentage of makes.:smile::thumbup:
Living Legend
Banned
this is what i mean Joey, the "X" should be your target on all cuts to left , unless you need to change it for some reason. The "X" will also be the target with back cuts i believe even though it will not be the closest side to the object ball and there some other shots that will come up like that also and this is how i am understanding and how it has to work in my eyes, but i could be wrong lol 
Your not supposed to have an undercut miss shooting this technique and if you miss by over cutting, you really missed and glitched your stroke most likely
PS: the "X" is not exact, i just put it there and until i go to a table i don't know exactly where the target is.
Your not supposed to have an undercut miss shooting this technique and if you miss by over cutting, you really missed and glitched your stroke most likely
PS: the "X" is not exact, i just put it there and until i go to a table i don't know exactly where the target is.
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You are correct. And that is what I said: aim to the "undercut" side, i.e., the side that would be the smaller cut angle -- which is not always the side closer to the OB.
It's important to get the language correct if we are all to understand what is intended.
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That looks correct for left cuts. And the "X" side of the pocket is not always the one closer to the OB.
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Living Legend
Banned
yes i have said that in my post and answered your question your were asking cj
this is what i mean, the "X" should be your target on all cuts to left , unlesl you need to change it for some reason. The "X" will also be the target with back cuts i believe even though it will not be the closest side to the object ball and there some other shots that will come up like that also, i believe and this is how i am understanding and how it has to work, but i could be wrong lol
Your not supposed to have an undercut miss shooting this technique and if you miss by over cutting, you really missed and glitched your stroke most likely
PS: the "X" is not exact, i just put it there and until i go to a table i don't know exactly where the target is.
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Living Legend
Banned
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"What are words for when no one listens anymore
What are words for when no one listens
What are words for when no one listens it's no use talkin at all"
Missing Persons
Words and written explanation can be a funny thing. Hard to be 100% accurate in your writing and even then so, it is open to interpretation. However, I found CJ's written descriptions pretty easy to understand and follow. Looks like not everyone gets it yet. Or they do get it, but don't like how it is being explained.
What are words for when no one listens
What are words for when no one listens it's no use talkin at all"
Missing Persons
Words and written explanation can be a funny thing. Hard to be 100% accurate in your writing and even then so, it is open to interpretation. However, I found CJ's written descriptions pretty easy to understand and follow. Looks like not everyone gets it yet. Or they do get it, but don't like how it is being explained.
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I'm pretty sure I'm getting it.
However, I'm still not clear on shots where you have to play position. I know you described it, CJ, but I can't quite wrap my head around it yet. I'm definitely going to get to a table to try this out tonite.
I'm looking forward to the DVD that will be coming soon. Maybe it will clear up some grey area for people, myself included.
However, I'm still not clear on shots where you have to play position. I know you described it, CJ, but I can't quite wrap my head around it yet. I'm definitely going to get to a table to try this out tonite.
I'm looking forward to the DVD that will be coming soon. Maybe it will clear up some grey area for people, myself included.
Living Legend
Banned
well if you want inside english, you cue more from the inside, (CJ says he uses from a hair inside to a half tip inside) and if you want to use outside english, you would line up with the normal technique but you would now just move your cue tip to center cue ball instead of inside of center cue ball and that will give you outside english.
This all works because of your body alignment (vision/perception) will always be more inside than normal using this technique. You should always have the feeling of over cutting the ball a bit because of your inside alignment.
Im just guessing at all this on how i see it working.
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