This is not true, Stan. My objection has always been that these systems are misrepresented, not that they're "bad". They're not misrepresented as much as they used to be, so my objections are less often necessary.
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Thanks Neil, I got a chuckle out of that!
Maybe you could describe what you think I specifically dislike about CTE, so we'll have something definite to talk about...
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Dub,
To me, that is the point. If it is absolutely necessary to HAMB, then one does not need an 'outside' aiming system. One will figure it out on their own. But how long will that take. IMHO the pool related point to any aiming system being sold to the public is to accellerate that process.
I am a proponent of anything that helps one improve. I have coached the 3 major sports & golf at the playground & middle school level. Sometimes all it takes is something shown or said & BANG-POW-ZOOM the switch is tripped, the light bulb comes on & a new all star is born.
In approximately 4 yrs. I have helped a retired gentlman who never played at all before he retired get to a very competetive level. He does not have the time to HAMB. He drinks. smokes, is frail, & not an intellectual giant. Keep in mind this was not done through lessons but a bit here & a bit there, while meeting up maybe twice a month. Outside information from a HAMB kind of guy can be priceless. They have little 'secrets' to share if they are willing.
IMO A fully understood aiming system can give one a huge head start on the HAMB. It might be able to take one from 50,000 to 500,000 'balls hit' very quickly. The other 500,000 is still up to you.
No offense meant but it seems to me that you may have the cart before the horse, so to speak. I can learn how to shoulder a rifle, breathe, hold my breath, & gently squeeze the trigger all blindfolded (the stroke). If the instructor then removes the blindfold & then says, okay, put a bullet in that bullseye 100 yards away, what chance is there of that happening if I do not know how to aim a rifle.(the aim...with no scope)
Sorry for the rant. Just trying to be helpful if I can.
Best Wishes,
RJ aka Rick
PS PM me if you have any qestions to which you think I may be of some help.
I don't like the use of ambiguous terms like "perception" to describe what a system supposedly does. I think "perception" probably means the same thing as "feel", and it's how we all "fill in the gaps" no matter how we aim. "Perception" isn't unique to CTE, and it doesn't mean CTE has no gaps or that CTE has some new way of filling the gaps. This is one of the main ways that I think CTE is misrepresented.
Is this supposed to be something I dislike about CTE? If so, I don't get it.
Yes, I think CTE is based on CB/OB fractional alighments like other fractional systems. This is pretty obvious from the way it's described here and on your DVD. But this isn't something I dislike about CTE - it's just a fact. In fact, I like some things about using fractions, as I've said and described in detail many times.
We may be at a personal impasse, but that's because you seem to think that, because I object to some of the ways CTE is described, I must be "against" it. I don't think I'm at any impasse with readers here who want to learn the facts about CTE along with the beliefs.
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Pj,
Everything is feel with you that is beyond your understanding.
Stan Shuffett
Everything is feel with you that is beyond your understanding.
Stan Shuffett
No offense taken. And none intended. But I think your thought process in this reply is dealing more in semantics than the general philosophy of HAMB. Whether its actually 750k, 500k, or 2 million balls, the term is a generalization, at least to me. Meaning that ya gotta hit a lot of balls, over a prolonged period of time, to perfect your technique.
Now if you want to go down the road of successfully learning a system shortening the curve to better results, I'm ok with that theory. But this is where the big conflict arises regarding aiming systems on the forums, that learning a system is a "shortcut", a means to not having to practice, that the system will take care if that. This concept is what has made aiming, and CTE in particular such a huge source of conflict here. So I think care must be taken with claims about HAMB....any sort of system is going to require a lot of practice to be effective. HAMB.
As for your suggestion about me and my carts placement, I appreciate the thought. But your example of the rifle isn't a good comparison, due to the multiple moving parts of a pool stroke, as compared to physically sighting a rifle. I have read a lot here, and had many conversations with different styles of instructors and players, and I believe them when they state that a good, repeatable stroke is necessary before any sort of advanced technique can be practically learned and employed. And I'm not there yet. I do a fair job of aiming in the conventional manner (as well as with a rifle) so the limited time that I have is much better spent on the fundamentals of the game.
As I said before, I'm not opposed to trying to learn anything, and I read almost everything here, and many other places. And I take something away pretty often. But I gotta get that stroke down better before real improvement will happen, for me.
Take care.
Bruce
Also, Pj, YOU are not interested in the real facts about CTE.
I'm happy to listen to your explanation of how CTE fills the aiming gaps between the fractional alignments without feel, Stan - but if you're trying to explain what the system brings to the table as opposed to what the shooter does, please use terms more specific than "perception".
I'm listening...
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Pj, you will get your explanation about how gaps are filled with real CTE.
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Aim vs Stroke
Bruce,
I hear you & agree. HAMB is just a phrase with no real specific number.
I just have a different 'philosophy' on which one is more important, aim vs stroke.
You certainly 'need' both. But in my 46 yrs. of playing, I have seen quite a few people with a terrible stance, a terrible bridge, &/or a terrible stroke pocket many a ball because they had a 'good eye'.
Good Luck & Best Wishes,
Rick
PS That senior gentleman would often say, 'I ain't quitt'n, I'll get it.' He did. Don't give up the ship. I don't believe you will. The journey is more than half the fun.
Bruce,
I hear you & agree. HAMB is just a phrase with no real specific number.
I just have a different 'philosophy' on which one is more important, aim vs stroke.
You certainly 'need' both. But in my 46 yrs. of playing, I have seen quite a few people with a terrible stance, a terrible bridge, &/or a terrible stroke pocket many a ball because they had a 'good eye'.
Good Luck & Best Wishes,
Rick
PS That senior gentleman would often say, 'I ain't quitt'n, I'll get it.' He did. Don't give up the ship. I don't believe you will. The journey is more than half the fun.
Stan,
I just wanted to say that I recently ordered your DVD and I can't wait to receive it and get started.
My only hope is that it isn't too hard to comprehend. I have a table and plan on putting in the time to make it work. Sometimes things that appear simple to some can be a little difficult to others.
I truly want to bring my game to a different level. I miss too many shots and am getting confused trying to learn too many systems. I hope this is the one to end all.
I just wanted to say that I recently ordered your DVD and I can't wait to receive it and get started.
My only hope is that it isn't too hard to comprehend. I have a table and plan on putting in the time to make it work. Sometimes things that appear simple to some can be a little difficult to others.
I truly want to bring my game to a different level. I miss too many shots and am getting confused trying to learn too many systems. I hope this is the one to end all.
Hi Doug,
Thanks again for your order!
The system is simple. The visuals are easy to see. Your 2 movements in PRO ONE, what I now refer to as visual sweeps are easy as well.
Do not get bogged down on the manual version but it is great to understand that process and to be able to execute some shots.
Concerning PRO ONE, it's just see and shoot. You will have right movements and left movements to center cue ball. Those rotations or visual sweeps are all about your eyes moving left or right from your ball address to final stance. At first it can be difficult to notice your actual visual sweep, the eye movement left or right. Many pros are not aware of this occurrence.
Watch your DVD, listen very carefully to all that I say and go to your table with the very simple shots. Watch and rewatch your DVD and continue your work at the table.
I will assist you by phone with any questions or concerns that you may have. I want you to get this as much as you want to get it. Get what?
A perception that was never supposed to be for this game and the 2 little movements that follow and connect you with the geometry of your table.
Stan Shuffett
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Stan,
Thanks for the info.
I also appreciate your offer of help. Believe me, I won't hesitate if I have any questions.
Doug
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PJ, lets say you are playing a game of 9 ball and you shoot the 8 ball in and you unexpectedly leave yourself an easy 2 degree cut on the 9 ball to the corner pocket for the win.
Now explain your thought process 2 seconds before you realize you will be leaving yourself a straight in shot on the 9 ball until you make contact on the 9 ball.
Now explain your thought process 2 seconds before you realize you will be leaving yourself a straight in shot on the 9 ball until you make contact on the 9 ball.
Mike,
You might want to rephrase the question or make a slight edit as it is vague to me. 'you will be leaving a straight in shot on the 9' ? ? ?
Just trying to help.
RJ