What do you do?What's the call?
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The guy wasnt even going to say jack until he saw where the cb was heading .Then before he says anything go's and starts throwing the balls on the table then calls this on the kid.Yes the kid was wrong for getting up but does that give a player a rite to do this before even saying anything to the other player or bringing a ref over.What happened pissed a few people off.
The dude is nothing but a nit.Same kinda guy that will call you for not marking the 8.
I guess what really added to this is it happened to a young kid.
The dude is nothing but a nit.Same kinda guy that will call you for not marking the 8.
I guess what really added to this is it happened to a young kid.
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If the rule is to mark the 8 then mark the 8.You need to take responsibility and teach the young kid the rules,not the rules that you randomly choose to follow occasionally.
These rules are easy to define and enforce,black and white as far as I'm concerned.You are selling the kid short if you don't teach him right.
If
the kid doesn't know the rules then thats the kids fault.
The guy might of been taking advantage but he knew it was going
to lean in his favor anyways.
People have to know the rules!!!
It doesn't matter if it's a kid, grandpa, women, etc.. If he got out of his chair, especially with the intent of "ah, easy out, he's out, I'll approach the table" then it's done, game over.
and if this guy is a nit for calling you out on marking pocket, if the rules state mark pocket, then I'd call you out too. Sounds like the shooter is the only one following rules. if he's a nit, so am I for same thing.
maybe the kid will learn something. there is no easy shot. period. play it all the way out. I don't think I've seen anyone at the us open concede an easy 9 ball shot. and those are pros.
Well sheeooot, Why have rules if people think they dont have to go by them?
You are supposed to know the rules to play, if you don't know the rules then you learn by your mistakes and move on. Being a kid has nothing to do with it.
jmo, of course. :wink:
You are supposed to know the rules to play, if you don't know the rules then you learn by your mistakes and move on. Being a kid has nothing to do with it.
jmo, of course. :wink:
IMO its conceding . When someone approaches when in that position
( happened many times) I will stop shooting and ask .... Is that good? Either way it gets the message across
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These gentlemen may be correct. Your approaching the table during your opponents inning would most probably be grounds for forfeiture.
However. To save face and stay in the match, tell him you were about to shit your pants and was heading for the men's room.
If that doesn't work, tell him you just got a call saying your mother was struck by an Amish horse and buggy, while jogging along the highway, and was rushed to the emergency room. A good pool player should learn to think on his feet. :smile:
However. To save face and stay in the match, tell him you were about to shit your pants and was heading for the men's room.
If that doesn't work, tell him you just got a call saying your mother was struck by an Amish horse and buggy, while jogging along the highway, and was rushed to the emergency room. A good pool player should learn to think on his feet. :smile:
I know this but doesn't the player have to call this before he touches any balls on the table.Is he committing a foul?I'm not sure of the actual ruling on this.
This excuse above all annoys the heck out of me....
Did he pay his entry fee? Did he step up to play in the big league?
Then he should KNOW the rules...and EXPECT them to be called on him if he breaks them..I am not going to be any less a sob on the table playing him than I would anybody else who steps up...
If he can't handle it maybe he should try badminton..or go back to the ps3...
R
Lol..you are nicer than me...I'll stand up say thanks and head for my break cue...
R
For the 20th time or so, Concession is a one-way street. looks like the kid learned a great lesson from his opponent.
Are you sure this "kid" isn't actually "YOU" ? , LOL
you are taking up for him...he is wrong. End of story. Sharking. Unfair advantage after messing wih opponents head.
Accountability...he racks balls and sits down until next time. Easy stuff.
He will get a turn at table, then, he can get up to shoot. Hope he runs em. That's good omen for us all.
Bottom line...HE IS IN THE WRONG
You're still not satisfied with everyone's responses, huh?
Ok. I'll ignore all the previous responses and return to your original post assuming I was the referee called to the table. I believe I'm somewhat qualified. I was a National and State ref for many years. I've run a 300+ player pool league for 18 years, and resolve player disputes and answer ruling questions almost daily during pool season. If there's a more qualified ref out there that disagrees with my following assessment, please let me know if I'm wrong.
As the ref, I walk up to the table and am told the following story by both players:
- the shooter was at the table, shooting the ball before the 8,
- the opponent got out of his chair and started to approach the table to concede the game,
- the shooter hooks himself on the 8, then sees that the opponent has approached the table and sweeps the balls claiming victory based on the opponent's concession of game by walking to the table,
- the opponent calls foul for the shooter sweeping the table.
I'll base my ruling on BCAPL rules, because that's primarily what we play in my area. Also, BCAPL rules are far more expansive than almost all other rules, and cover more topics in more detail. Of course, whatever rules you're playing may contradict BCAPL rules, so take it for what it is.
As per BCAPL rule 1.43.1, I would award the win to the shooter because the opponent started to concede the game. You can't un-concede a game just because an odd development on the table now favors you.
I would also warn the shooter, as per BCAPL rule 1.43.3 and 1.43.4, he was dangerously close to committing a concession foul himself, but based on the information given, the opponent clearly conceded the game.
I would further warn both players, as per BCAPL rule 1.43.2, that any more concession of games will result in an additional loss of a game from their score.
Finally, I would instruct both players to remain seating while not shooting or risk possible rule infractions based on Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
So, back to your original post: Is it wrong for someone to sweep the table without asking the ref? Yes, ok, you have a tiny little point there. BUT, that doesn't erase the fact that the opponent conceded the game. If the opponent would have stayed seated, none of this would have happened. Therefore, the opponent must be accountable for his actions.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter that you don't like the other player because they're too nit-picky on the rules. When you play by a set of rules, you must know and follow ALL THE RULES, not just the ones you want to.
Again, please take this as a learning experience and stay in your chair because your opponent could miscue or hook themselves on the 8.
Ok. I'll ignore all the previous responses and return to your original post assuming I was the referee called to the table. I believe I'm somewhat qualified. I was a National and State ref for many years. I've run a 300+ player pool league for 18 years, and resolve player disputes and answer ruling questions almost daily during pool season. If there's a more qualified ref out there that disagrees with my following assessment, please let me know if I'm wrong.
As the ref, I walk up to the table and am told the following story by both players:
- the shooter was at the table, shooting the ball before the 8,
- the opponent got out of his chair and started to approach the table to concede the game,
- the shooter hooks himself on the 8, then sees that the opponent has approached the table and sweeps the balls claiming victory based on the opponent's concession of game by walking to the table,
- the opponent calls foul for the shooter sweeping the table.
I'll base my ruling on BCAPL rules, because that's primarily what we play in my area. Also, BCAPL rules are far more expansive than almost all other rules, and cover more topics in more detail. Of course, whatever rules you're playing may contradict BCAPL rules, so take it for what it is.
As per BCAPL rule 1.43.1, I would award the win to the shooter because the opponent started to concede the game. You can't un-concede a game just because an odd development on the table now favors you.
I would also warn the shooter, as per BCAPL rule 1.43.3 and 1.43.4, he was dangerously close to committing a concession foul himself, but based on the information given, the opponent clearly conceded the game.
I would further warn both players, as per BCAPL rule 1.43.2, that any more concession of games will result in an additional loss of a game from their score.
Finally, I would instruct both players to remain seating while not shooting or risk possible rule infractions based on Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
So, back to your original post: Is it wrong for someone to sweep the table without asking the ref? Yes, ok, you have a tiny little point there. BUT, that doesn't erase the fact that the opponent conceded the game. If the opponent would have stayed seated, none of this would have happened. Therefore, the opponent must be accountable for his actions.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter that you don't like the other player because they're too nit-picky on the rules. When you play by a set of rules, you must know and follow ALL THE RULES, not just the ones you want to.
Again, please take this as a learning experience and stay in your chair because your opponent could miscue or hook themselves on the 8.
BTW, if the opponent changes his story and says he stood up to stretch, that's a bunch of crap. He just HAD to stand up and stretch while the shooter was on the ball before the 8?!? Come on. At least be man enough to accept responsibility for your own actions.
Thanks.. this is what i was curious about.
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