Yea it works ok on thick and thin shots, i agreeNeil are you sure its not the user that works really well?
Positive. I have proven it to a number of people.
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Positive. I have proven it to a number of people.
I have spent many hours learning from Ron. We have worked on kicking, banking, and of course the system that most are calling 90-90.
If the balls are more than two diamonds apart you can 90-90 regardless of the thickness or thiness of the shot.
When the balls are closer than two diamonds you have to adjust. Ron teaches these adjustments. I have looked at cte and the see system. There are many who have learned these systems, and they have had success with them. I believe what Ron teaches is easier to learn and easier to use, for me.
If some of you do not agree that is ok. Use whatever system that works for you.
It is like using a very heavy cue or a super light one. There is no one size fits all. Use what you feel comfortable with.
If the balls are more than two diamonds apart you can 90-90 regardless of the thickness or thiness of the shot.
When the balls are closer than two diamonds you have to adjust. Ron teaches these adjustments. I have looked at cte and the see system. There are many who have learned these systems, and they have had success with them. I believe what Ron teaches is easier to learn and easier to use, for me.
If some of you do not agree that is ok. Use whatever system that works for you.
It is like using a very heavy cue or a super light one. There is no one size fits all. Use what you feel comfortable with.
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the shadow just tells you where to place your base foot. Its a starting point and doesn't have to be exact. Whether or not you make the shot depends on your other foots position. It opens and closes your alignment like a door. Once you plant your foot on the line it becomes all feel with some help from pointing your foot at the pocket. This is good info for anyone struggling with that system. I haven't purchase the system but i understand how the different systems must work. To make the most out of this system you must understand the importance of body alignments in shot making. If you do not understand that your going to have a lot of trouble and "you will not learn it or get it". I like this system because i understand exactly what it is supposed to do and i would recommend it to someone and would rank it 2nd on my list for systems.
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I never said the system cant work. I am willing to bet you and Neil do not use it. Its kinda neat at first glance but the deeper you get into it, the more you start scratching your head.
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Neil, i know you have a pretty good understanding of cte/pro1. There is no way you use 90/90 lol 
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From what i hear he is great instructor, one of the best out there and he could teach me a ton of stuff, 100%. I would pass on the 90/90 stuff though from what i have experienced and i truly do understand these alignment/aiming systems and how each one works.
Well, you sure aren't understanding 90/90 properly. For what it's worth, I like CTE, and several other systems. I do use 90/90 exclusively now. It's so much easier. I not only use it, but I have added a few things to it that truly are part of the 90/90 way of aiming. Ron did real good with this aiming method!
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Yea it works ok on thick and thin shots, i agree
Like i said in the past post above, "are you sure its not the user that works really well?" You had to add a few things to it to use it. I said he has to upgrade it in another past post in this thread, you really think i dont understand it
I am only talking about the system and not attacking Ron V and like i said, i have heard nothing but great things about him.
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Like i said in the past post above, "are you sure its not the user that works really well?" You had to add a few things to it to use it. I said he has to upgrade it in another past post in this thread, you really think i dont understand it
What I added was for banking using the system. Other than that, the only thing I do different than he teaches, is that I go edge to edge, and on some closer shots I go off 1/4 ball instead of reverse 90/90. Otherwise, it's exactly like he teaches it.
My guess is that you aren't finding center cb correctly, or aren't pivoting correctly.
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i can shoot the system This is why i am telling you whats wrong with it, I can shoot 90/90 with or with out a pivot to center also. Between a thick and thin shot your basically using feel/ghost ball or contact point to make the shot. You think going edge to edge,edge to center,etc with a half ball pivot to center magically gets you on the shot? The system is giving you a repeated very basic starting point for every shot and then saying now you go find it. Now at the ete point and the pivot you have to find the contact point, not so hard for thick cuts but it gets harder and harder moving to half ball.
Now if you don't understand the bold above, you don't understand aiming/alignment systems and how 90/90 works.
why would you be using 90/90 because according to you, you understand cte/pro1 and how to apply it...hmmmm? That should not happen! its like purposely going from a ferrari to a basic compact car by your choice with 20 million in the bank.
This is why i am telling you whats wrong with it, I can shoot 90/90 with or with out a pivot to center also. Between a thick and thin shot your basically using feel/ghost ball or contact point to make the shot. You think going edge to edge,edge to center,etc with a half ball pivot to center magically gets you on the shot? The system is giving you a repeated very basic starting point for every shot and then saying now you go find it. Now at the ete point and the pivot you have to find the contact point, not so hard for thick cuts but it gets harder and harder moving to half ball.Now if you don't understand the bold above, you don't understand aiming/alignment systems and how 90/90 works.
why would you be using 90/90 because according to you, you understand cte/pro1 and how to apply it...hmmmm? That should not happen! its like purposely going from a ferrari to a basic compact car by your choice with 20 million in the bank.
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Now if you don't understand the bold above, you don't understand aiming/alignment systems and how 90/90 works.
why would you be using 90/90 because according to you, you understand cte/pro1 and how to apply it...hmmmm? That should not happen! its like purposely going from a ferrari to a basic compact car by your choice with 20 million in the bank.
Wow, this post is a moving target -- five edits in the last ten minutes.
You might want to consider composing your reply in Notepad or Word (or text editor of your choice) before posting to AZB. This way you can get everything you need to say together first.
The edits seem to be well-advised, though -- run-on sentences were appropriately chopped-up into separate sentences, and structure / punctuation fixed.
-Sean
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Sean i just read and post off the top of my head and no concern of run-on sentences were appropriately chopped-up into separate sentences, and structure / punctuation. lol
ps: im just laying on the couch watching tv with the lap beside me using one hand typing
ps: im just laying on the couch watching tv with the lap beside me using one hand typing
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Sean i just read and post off the top of my head and no concern of run-on sentences were appropriately chopped-up into separate sentences, and structure / punctuation. lol
LOL, Your comment probably explains how the following statement got created: "There are only 5 lines of aim and not 6 and a grand total of 9, if you dont count the straight in twice and not 11."
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Now if you don't understand the bold above, you don't understand aiming/alignment systems and how 90/90 works.
why would you be using 90/90 because according to you, you understand cte/pro1 and how to apply it...hmmmm? That should not happen! its like purposely going from a ferrari to a basic compact car by your choice with 20 million in the bank.
Why would I prefer 90/90 over CTE? Simply because it's simpler to use. That's all. Now, with your above statements, I find it rather odd that just now, I broke the balls and then proceeded to make the 7 remaining balls by doing nothing more than looking at both the cb and ob to find ETE, and, once I found that, I shifted my focus to the cb only, pivoted, and shot without ever looking at the ob. Yet, somehow, all 7 found their way to the correct pocket.
I don't normally shoot that way, but I did it this time to prove a point. It doesn't work for you, fine. That doesn't mean it doesn't work as advertised. Same as when you used to argue CTE with others that said it couldn't work.
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It is that easy? Find the ete line, pivot to center and they all go with a strait stroke...anyways I am going to take a break from this thread and wish you all the best of luck
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