Banks with CTE

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mohrt

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Its been a little while since I've seen a video of CTE in action, so I thought I'd post one. I have a fun little 7-footer at home now, so maybe I'll be playing around with some videos here and there :)

This is a pretty straight-forward demonstration of cross-banks using the 1/2 ball pivot method. The thought process is pretty simple: I determine my pivot by looking at the natural bank angle. If its slightly left, I use left-edge to left-edge. If its slightly right, I use right-edge to right-edge. All the shots are this way except the last one, it is right-edge to center since I set it up for a little thinner cross-over shot. All pivots are executed the same. Enjoy!

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhCKSU22Uc

the method explained:

http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offset-and-pivot-aiming-systems-395

See also Stan Shuffett's ProOne and Ron Vitello 90/90, they are very similar principles.
 
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Hi Stan,

Agreed the system techniques are different, I don't deny that! However if you are proficient in one, it is quite easy to switch between the two. At least that has been my experience. That makes sense, as both techniques are derived from the same source (?)
 
mohrt said:
Hi Stan,

Agreed the system techniques are different, I don't deny that! However if you are proficient in one, it is quite easy to switch between the two. At least that has been my experience. That makes sense, as both techniques are derived from the same source (?)
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It is apples and oranges. Different in so many ways.
Stan Shuffett
 
BeiberLvr said:
I don't get it. Those are all dead banks.
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They are lined up somewhat close to dead so I didn't disturb the other balls. None of them were perfectly dead, I used differing CTE lineups depending on the cut direction. The last one was a steeper cut to the right.

This is just the first video keeping it simple. I'll (hopefully) get some more up showing some crossover banks and cut angle banks.
 
stan shuffett said:
It is apples and oranges. Different in so many ways.
Stan Shuffett
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Agreed, and I don't think I've been very clear either. I'm only comparing the manual CTE portion of ProOne, and only similar in that they use a pivot to center cueball. The techniques are very different.
 
mohrt said:
Its been a little while since I've seen a video of CTE in action, so I thought I'd post one. I have a fun little 7-footer at home now, so maybe I'll be playing around with some videos here and there :)

This is a pretty straight-forward demonstration of cross-banks using the 1/2 ball pivot method. The thought process is pretty simple: I determine my pivot by looking at the natural bank angle. If its slightly left, I use left-edge to left-edge. If its slightly right, I use right-edge to right-edge. All the shots are this way except the last one, it is right-edge to center since I set it up for a little thinner cross-over shot. All pivots are executed the same. Enjoy!

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhCKSU22Uc

the method explained:

http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offset-and-pivot-aiming-systems-395

See also Stan Shuffett's ProOne and Ron Vitello 90/90, they are very similar principles.
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Great video!!!!

Thank you very much!!!

You already cleared one of my questions -> when coming (steppin in) to CB left edge, I was always asking myself/others does one go straight to it with the body -> without the natural body rotation when going into the stance, or does one naturaly rotate the body when stepping to the CB edge in pre pivot position -> and here you're obviously rotating your body a little bit - naturaly when stepping in to CB left edge for a prepivot position, I've never done that, I always thought that pivot should replace that body rotation, thank you for clearing that up :)

Could you do some shots/banks, whatever, where we can see you from the front side so I could see how you line up with your eyes to ETE/ETC and how do you come in to CB face with your eyes/bridge, it would be great for me and maybe some other folks that are trying to figure this out.

Thank you for this video again!
 
I don't quite understand how one uses CTE for banking considering the speed dimension that is not present in normal shots.

You could align yourself in the same manner, but use different speeds, and have the cueball arrive at different locations. What exactly does this have to do with CTE?
 
Mirza said:
and here you're obviously rotating your body a little bit
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Through practice I have come to anticipate the pivot, and rotate my whole upper body so I don't change any head/cue alignment.

Mirza said:
Could you do some shots/banks, whatever, where we can see you from the front side so I could see how you line up with your eyes to ETE/ETC and how do you come in to CB face with your eyes/bridge, it would be great for me and maybe some other folks that are trying to figure this out.
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I'm putting my dominant eye on the secondary reference line, moving in on that line (with my eyes, not cue stick) then pivoting to center cue ball.
 
ChrisBanks said:
I don't quite understand how one uses CTE for banking considering the speed dimension that is not present in normal shots.

You could align yourself in the same manner, but use different speeds, and have the cueball arrive at different locations. What exactly does this have to do with CTE?
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CTE gets you on the geometric bank angle. All the other nuances of banks (speed, spin, etc.) still apply, and must be addressed by the shooter. Starting at the geometric angle minimizes these nuances, or often times eliminating.
 
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ChrisBanks said:
Do you advocate this method of banking, or Freddy's method?
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I apply many of the techniques I learned from Freddy's material into my banks. I use CTE to line up the bank, then apply various tip placement (with BHE) depending on the shot angle and shot speed.
 
mohrt said:
Through practice I have come to anticipate the pivot, and rotate my whole upper body so I don't change any head/cue alignment.



I'm putting my dominant eye on the secondary reference line, moving in on that line (with my eyes, not cue stick) then pivoting to center cue ball.
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So AFTER aligning in stand up position and BEFORE doing hip pivot (in this video) that is the most important part (for me) to understand.

When going forward with your front foot and with the cue swinging from left to right, and with your bridge hand and cue tip going towards the left CB edge, where is your vision center (dominant eye) going in these moments? Is it going towards CB center that you saw from that stand-up-alignment or it stays on the OB secondary alignment, or does it go towards left CB edge like your tip-bridge-front foot?
 
Mirza said:
So AFTER aligning in stand up position and BEFORE doing hip pivot (in this video) that is the most important part (for me) to understand.

When going forward with your front foot and with the cue swinging from left to right, and with your bridge hand and cue tip going towards the left CB edge, where is your vision center (dominant eye) going in these moments? Is it going towards CB center that you saw from that stand-up-alignment or it stays on the OB secondary alignment, or does it go towards left CB edge like your tip-bridge-front foot?
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The exact technical answer to this is that you should move straight in on the face of the cueball. Once you are aligned, the face does not change. One way to think of this: examine the left and right edges of the cueball. As you move in, these edges should not change. That said, I tend to move straight into the secondary reference line, which (for me) works equally as well.
 
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ChrisBanks said:
I do find the geometrical angle on most banks. But it is truly a 2 second process using the diamonds.
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Sure you can use the diamonds and eyeball them from there and be very successful with that. For me, I like to know I'm exact without diamond counting or parallel shifting. Dead banks and short banks are not the best examples either, it's like demonstrating CTE with a duck. Try long cross corner banks, two-rail banks, three-rail banks. This is where the system really starts to shine. I was just keeping it simple in this first video, I plan on getting more out there as time permits. However, easy shots and easy banks are where you want to practice CTE before moving onto the more difficult types of shots.
 
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I'll be watching. But you've got a big step ahead of you if you want to surpass Beard's multi-rail banking methods. They are tried and true, and take only a few seconds to calculate, and can be calculated with the human eye probably to within 1/20th of a diamond.

I will be cheering for you.
 
ChrisBanks said:
I'll be watching. But you've got a big step ahead of you if you want to surpass Beard's multi-rail banking methods. They are tried and true, and take only a few seconds to calculate, and can be calculated with the human eye probably to within 1/20th of a diamond.

I will be cheering for you.
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This is not meant to surpass anything Beard teaches. As a matter of fact, I use many of his techniques on my banks. So for example, the Beard gives you reference lines to line up multi-rail banks. You find one an then shift to your object ball. Now that you have the shot line, how do you shoot your object ball straight down that line? This is one place using CTE can be quite helpful.
 
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If you haven't seen Brumbacks DVD yet, there are some real eye openers in there too. Highly recommended.
 
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