Two cues with different amounts of deflection, same aiming system

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ChrisBanks

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So if an aiming system guides me to the correct line for pocketing the ball, and I switch to a cue with a DIFFERENT amount of deflection, how can I expect the aiming system to work for both cues?

The bottom line is that I will need a different setup for each cue because they have different amounts of deflection. So how will any one aiming system cover both of them?

And not to mention the difference in deflection between a soft and a hard hit. How does your aiming system adjust for differences in deflection due to soft and hard hits?

You can shoot softly on one line and make the ball. But if you shoot hard on the same line, there will be more deflection, and the object ball path will be altered.


You will defy the logicians if you can solve this problem.
 
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ChrisBanks said:
So if an aiming system guides me to the correct line for pocketing the ball, and I switch to a cue with a DIFFERENT amount of deflection, how can I expect the aiming system to work for both cues?

The bottom line is that I will need a different setup for each cue because they have different amounts of deflection. So how will any one aiming system cover both of them?

You will defy the logicians if you can solve this problem.
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What did people do in the dark ages before they had Predator (Meucci) ((George H. Balabushka!)) low deflection cues when they changed cues or grabbed a house cue?

They used near-level strokes and other techniques (they even used backhand english) to limit unwanted deflection, squirt, curve, etc. I played with aluminum and also wood cues when I was a kid--the balls still go in.
 
ChrisBanks said:
So if an aiming system guides me to the correct line for pocketing the ball, and I switch to a cue with a DIFFERENT amount of deflection, how can I expect the aiming system to work for both cues?

The bottom line is that I will need a different setup for each cue because they have different amounts of deflection. So how will any one aiming system cover both of them?

You will defy the logicians if you can solve this problem.
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In your feeble attempt to knock aiming systems, you only show your ignorance about them. Aiming systems are for no english, center pocket. If you want to apply english, then you can use one of several methods to compensate for the deflection.
 
Neil said:
In your feeble attempt to knock aiming systems, you only show your ignorance about them. Aiming systems are for no english, center pocket. If you want to apply english, then you can use one of several methods to compensate for the deflection.
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Then why waste time if they prohibit using any english?
 
Neil said:
In your feeble attempt to knock aiming systems, you only show your ignorance about them. Aiming systems are for no english, center pocket. If you want to apply english, then you can use one of several methods to compensate for the deflection.
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And believe me I do not knock anything, it wouldn't be right.
 
ChrisBanks said:
Then why waste time if they prohibit using any english?
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Like I said, you obviously know nothing about them, so why knock what you don't know about?? They don't prevent you from using english. You simply add english using another method once you have found center pocket line with no english. Takes all of about a blink of an eye to do it. If that's too much time for you.......
 
Neil said:
Like I said, you obviously know nothing about them, so why knock what you don't know about?? They don't prevent you from using english. You simply add english using another method once you have found center pocket line with no english. Takes all of about a blink of an eye to do it. If that's too much time for you.......
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I've never heard of such nonsense in my life!
 
ChrisBanks said:
I've never heard of such nonsense in my life!
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Then maybe it's time for you to learn about them.;) I can line up using any of several aiming systems, using whatever time it takes. Then, I can apply english to the shot and still be on the correct shot line and adjusted for deflection, squirt, and swerve in less time than it takes you to blink, I can adjust and you wouldn't even see it. Nothing hard about it at all when you know what you are doing. How long does it take you to move the tip of your cue over a few millimeters??
 
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ChrisBanks said:
I've heard alot of things about you. And that alot of people have you blocked or ignored. I didn't think it would be this bad!
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I'm sure you have, there are a number of trolls on here. By your statement, you show that you are here to troll, not learn anything. Please put me on ignore if that is the case, because I would just as soon not teach the trolls anything. The question you have to ask yourself, is this- am I here to actually improve my game and learn and actually try something new, or am I here to be "part of a club" and fit in somewhere, and only listen to those that talk the most, and not what they actually say?
 
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Neil said:
I'm sure you have, there are a number of trolls on here. By your statement, you show that you are here to troll, not learn anything. Please put me on ignore if that is the case, because I would just as soon not teach the trolls anything. The question you have to ask yourself, is this- am I here to actually improve my game and learn and actually try something new, or am I here to be "part of a club" and fit in somewhere, and only listen to those that talk the most, and not what they actually say?
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This is not about aiming. Let's keep it about aiming and help each other.
 
ChrisBanks said:
This is not about aiming. Let's keep it about aiming and help each other.
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Then why did you bring up the other nonsense to start with? YOU are the one that said what I said was nonsense, and that you were going to take the trolls side and not listen to anything I have to say. So, just why should I help you now??
 
Neil said:
Then why did you bring up the other nonsense to start with? YOU are the one that said what I said was nonsense, and that you were going to take the trolls side and not listen to anything I have to say. So, just why should I help you now??
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I don't want the help. Let's gamble and see who's right.
 
ChrisBanks said:
I don't want the help. Let's gamble and see who's right.
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I'm in grand Rapids, Mich. Come on over. I'll bet everything I have that I made a true statement. And thanks for making it clear that you aren't here to learn anything, just troll.;) And, your wanting to play statement is nothing but a troll statement. It wouldn't prove a thing about the discussion. So, why even make the statement? You say you want to discuss it, but you keep going off topic trying to stir something up. Do you get a big kick out of that or something?? And, if you don't want the help, why make the initial post in the first place?? Why is it that some of you on here only get joy out of seeing what you can ruin on here?
 
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ChrisBanks said:
I've heard alot of things about you. And that alot of people have you blocked or ignored. I didn't think it would be this bad!
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2nd time edited-- somehow it was *misunderstood* (using wrong english, my bad).

@Neil: totally agree with you :-)
 
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Neil:
[Aiming systems] don't prevent you from using english. You simply add english using another method once you have found center pocket line with no english.
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ChrisBanks:
I've never heard of such nonsense in my life!
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I don't use aiming systems, but Neil's right about that. No system adjusts for sidespin/squirt/swerve/throw - you always have to add that yourself.

pj
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Just to interject...

Obviously deflection does not come into play when shooting center ball, and since all aiming systems merely attempt to get you on the true ghost ball line in a different way, you can use however many cues you want and you will make the ball the same way.

It's a given that you have to adjust for english using any of a number of methods, or pure feel, and that will vary by cue. That has to be done regardless of aiming method, which is exactly what Neil was saying. There is only one system I know of (the SEE system) that even attempts to systemize adjustments for english, but even then it's not a one system fits all shafts approach, more of an approach to guide you into finding adjustments that work for your own personal cue. If changing shafts then those adjustments would have to change as well.

Scott
 
Just saw Patrick's post and your reply.

Aiming systems help with... Aiming. Not spin, not fixing your stroke, just aiming. Hence the name...

Scott
 
scottjen26 said:
Just to interject...

Obviously deflection does not come into play when shooting center ball, and since all aiming systems merely attempt to get you on the true ghost ball line in a different way, you can use however many cues you want and you will make the ball the same way.

It's a given that you have to adjust for english using any of a number of methods, or pure feel, and that will vary by cue. That has to be done regardless of aiming method, which is exactly what Neil was saying. There is only one system I know of (the SEE system) that even attempts to systemize adjustments for english, but even then it's not a one system fits all shafts approach, more of an approach to guide you into finding adjustments that work for your own personal cue. If changing shafts then those adjustments would have to change as well.

Scott
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Oh come now, let's use our sense. If you roll the cueball with english there is little to no deflection. If you shoot hard, there is significantly more deflection. What good does it do you to find some imaginary line. Man, let's be realistic.
 
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