How did he not get you ask? I'm sure it was because of his friend constantly reminding him of how the information can't help him. That friend being the (nb92's thought #2 on page 5) of thread CTE AND TOI.
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How did he not get you ask? I'm sure it was because of his friend constantly reminding him of how the information can't help him. That friend being the (nb92's thought #2 on page 5) of thread CTE AND TOI.
I think you can learn something and come to the realization that it is a flawed model. So you discard it.
Lou Figueroa
You can watch the DVD, understand it, and realize it doesn't work as advertised. Just because something comes out on a DVD (or is on TV, or in the newspaper) does not mean that it is valid.
Lou Figueroa
I think some people benefit from all kinds of things that aren't "valid," much like a placebo effect. I believe Dr. Dave also has a list on his site of why some people might benefit from CTE.
Lou Figueroa
How did he not get you ask? I'm sure it was because of his friend constantly reminding him of how the information can't help him. That friend being the (nb92's thought #2 on page 5) of thread CTE AND TOI.
He was aware, long before he got the DVD, what I thought of it. But he's a smart guy and was able to make up his own mind after studying it ;-)
Lou Figueroa
Stan, I came to your house a couple of years ago to take a CTE lesson. It was a few months prior to your DVD being released. At that time, your documentation/diagrams were rudimentary as best.
While you are clearly a great guy, and I believe a knowledgeable and skilled instructor, I simply didn't get it at all. I just chalked it up to me not being a high level player and was done with it. I tried working with it for awhile on my table at home but as I said, the documentation was very minimal so I just let it go. I also really didn't like all the pivoting, it seemed somewhat counter intuitive to my SPF training.
Perhaps some people see the lines/angles you tried to show me. Honestly, I couldn't see them at all. To be fair, I recently purchased the SEE stuff and found the same thing to be true, i.e., it just didn't work for me.
Perhaps it is a left brain vs right brain sort of thing, I don't know. I'm thinking about buying your DVD and giving it another try. Obviously, a lot of people are fanboys so I'm believing it can work if grasped properly. I presently employ the SAM aiming system along with feel.
I congratulate you for your hard work, enthusiasm and commitment. Whether its something that ever works for me or helps my game is irrelevant. The game of pool needs more fine people like yourself contributing towards its advancement. Keep up the good work Stan!
While you are clearly a great guy, and I believe a knowledgeable and skilled instructor, I simply didn't get it at all. I just chalked it up to me not being a high level player and was done with it. I tried working with it for awhile on my table at home but as I said, the documentation was very minimal so I just let it go. I also really didn't like all the pivoting, it seemed somewhat counter intuitive to my SPF training.
Perhaps some people see the lines/angles you tried to show me. Honestly, I couldn't see them at all. To be fair, I recently purchased the SEE stuff and found the same thing to be true, i.e., it just didn't work for me.
Perhaps it is a left brain vs right brain sort of thing, I don't know. I'm thinking about buying your DVD and giving it another try. Obviously, a lot of people are fanboys so I'm believing it can work if grasped properly. I presently employ the SAM aiming system along with feel.
I congratulate you for your hard work, enthusiasm and commitment. Whether its something that ever works for me or helps my game is irrelevant. The game of pool needs more fine people like yourself contributing towards its advancement. Keep up the good work Stan!
Lou,
In reading your posts I assume you must think you are quite knowledgable about CTE PRO ONE.
You discuss CTE and I guess PRO ONE as being a flawed model and you purport these systems to have no validity.
Well, my first thought is, true knowledge comes from experience.
My knowledge that I have developed for CTE spans 6-8 years and over thousands of hours of study at the table. I have also taken CTE PRO ONE to competition and have fared quite well.
I KNOW you have little experience with CTE PRO ONE. There's not one person on this forum that would bet $1000 that you have played one rack of 14.1 or one rack of one-pocket with CTE PRO ONE.
You see, YOUR argument is flawed and of extremely poor MODEL because you speak without true knowledge that comes from experience. Your experience is limited. Yeah, you have read post for 15 years but it's a sure bet you have less than a few hours in study on the table visually and physically with CTE.
What you are good at is spinning words and you'll spin this but all you're doing is spinning yourself into a deeper hole.
Lou,you could accept JB's offer and come to my home and gladly work in good faith on really developing some true knowledge about CTE. To be honest, it's hard for me to this, but I am not at the point yet to where I would decline. It would depend a lot on your attitude and if you are willing to empty the cup.
Stan Shuffett
In reading your posts I assume you must think you are quite knowledgable about CTE PRO ONE.
You discuss CTE and I guess PRO ONE as being a flawed model and you purport these systems to have no validity.
Well, my first thought is, true knowledge comes from experience.
My knowledge that I have developed for CTE spans 6-8 years and over thousands of hours of study at the table. I have also taken CTE PRO ONE to competition and have fared quite well.
I KNOW you have little experience with CTE PRO ONE. There's not one person on this forum that would bet $1000 that you have played one rack of 14.1 or one rack of one-pocket with CTE PRO ONE.
You see, YOUR argument is flawed and of extremely poor MODEL because you speak without true knowledge that comes from experience. Your experience is limited. Yeah, you have read post for 15 years but it's a sure bet you have less than a few hours in study on the table visually and physically with CTE.
What you are good at is spinning words and you'll spin this but all you're doing is spinning yourself into a deeper hole.
Lou,you could accept JB's offer and come to my home and gladly work in good faith on really developing some true knowledge about CTE. To be honest, it's hard for me to this, but I am not at the point yet to where I would decline. It would depend a lot on your attitude and if you are willing to empty the cup.
Stan Shuffett
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Thanks for your nice post. I am happy to schedule a follow-up for you for a coca-cola. Call me for details.
I will be glad to assist you with your concerns.
Stan Shuffett
Stan, I just ordered your DVD. I may want to take another lesson at your house after I've worked with it a bit. However, if I do, I also will expect to pay your going rate. We'll have to agree to that up front. I respect the work you've done, you deserve to get compensated for it whether my engineer left brain can grasp it or not.
Stan, I just ordered your DVD. I may want to take another lesson at your house after I've worked with it a bit. However, if I do, I also will expect to pay your going rate. We'll have to agree to that up front. I respect the work you've done, you deserve to get compensated for it whether my engineer left brain can grasp it or not.
Yes,
THX, A coca-cola zero it is.Study your DVD. And let's get together as i want to see you understand CTE PRO ONE as well as be able to apply it in your game.
Many thanks for the order!
Stan Shuffett
I personally would like to hear of one gap or flaw that cte/pro1 has. I keep hearing about that from the same people but no one has actually said what they are? By the way, someone’s inability to learn the system is not a system flaw but a user flaw. In addition, someone’s inability to figure what alignment to shoot is not a system flaw but a user flaw.
Now I will call out dr dave, Lou f, lou f’s attorney friend, Pj, scott lee, etc and please post a gap or flaw in the system? and not a user flaw.
added; Now just because you may know the alignments/pivots on paper that does not mean you know the system. Your knowledge ends on that piece of paper.
Now I will call out dr dave, Lou f, lou f’s attorney friend, Pj, scott lee, etc and please post a gap or flaw in the system? and not a user flaw.
added; Now just because you may know the alignments/pivots on paper that does not mean you know the system. Your knowledge ends on that piece of paper.
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How did it not work as advertised?
I can make pretty much every shot demonstrated on the DVD using Pro One. The only ones I haven't practiced are the jump shots because I don't have a jump cue. Like I said, it's cool if you don't like it and want to use something else instead. I just have a problem with people that dismiss it before putting in the hours it takes to get the system down.
I play about 1 or 2 times a week, and have been working on it for the past month. I'm still only about 85% proficient with the system. It just takes time and dedication. Like anything else in this sport.
I'm relatively new to this discussion but I'll offer up an analogy. Tiger Woods has revamped his game several times & he is aware that it takes time to truely improve & that his game will regress in the short term until the time has been put in to recieve the benefits that are forth coming.
Perhaps, & I certainly can not & do not purport to speak for Mr. Lou, but perhaps he did not see any initial benefit over what he is using & is not willing to have his game regress for what he feels might not be an actual benefit for him.
I am going through a similiar thing with TOI. I am intrigued by CTE and will eventually get around to pursue giving it a fair try.
Mr. Lou is not enamered with CTE to the extent as others but is entitled to express his opinion. It does not seem to me he is telling anyone to not try it. He is just expressing his disappointment with it. The adult AZB readership are not babies in need of baby sitting & will make up their own minds as to whether to give his opinion more or less weight compared to those that are enamered with CTE. One size does not fit all. If one is in search of help they are more willing to have an open mind regarding 'help'. The readership will be the determining factor as to the success of CTE where AZB is concerned.
Just my $0.02.
Perhaps, & I certainly can not & do not purport to speak for Mr. Lou, but perhaps he did not see any initial benefit over what he is using & is not willing to have his game regress for what he feels might not be an actual benefit for him.
I am going through a similiar thing with TOI. I am intrigued by CTE and will eventually get around to pursue giving it a fair try.
Mr. Lou is not enamered with CTE to the extent as others but is entitled to express his opinion. It does not seem to me he is telling anyone to not try it. He is just expressing his disappointment with it. The adult AZB readership are not babies in need of baby sitting & will make up their own minds as to whether to give his opinion more or less weight compared to those that are enamered with CTE. One size does not fit all. If one is in search of help they are more willing to have an open mind regarding 'help'. The readership will be the determining factor as to the success of CTE where AZB is concerned.
Just my $0.02.
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Well, they/you would lose that $1K bet because after watching your DVD I did try *many* racks of 14.1 and couldn't begin to make it work.
As I said in my first post in this thread, it would be beneficial to the discussion if the proponents would just acknowledge that this system is not for everyone. But apparently that is too much to ask -- you would prefer to place the blame for failure on the individual rather than the system.
And here's some free PR advice: you should get off the repeated proffers to teach people at your home in the manner that you are offering it because the message it sends is that the DVD does not stand alone and that after folks purchases it they will, almost inevitably, need further instruction that may or may not make it work. You're welcome.
Lou Figueroa
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Link doesn't work for me.
There are different types of people on this site and in life Lou. Some are quick learners and some are not. Some people are also lazy in there efforts to learn things on there own. Stan has made himself available to all free of charge. Is this hate ever going to end with you Lou? I am beginning to think you may have a disruptive behavior disorder?
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