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Thanks justadub

I believe you are mistaken. At least on some points.

I don't believe that there are many folks here that "are against" pro players. Just because folks don't believe that they need to subsidize "pro" players income in order for them to actually be "pro" doesn't mean that they "are against" them....

In your model and your descriptions, you seem to be making the statement that the general pool playing public is required, and even somewhat obligated, to fund this (and/or other) ventures in order to provide a living playing pool for these "pro" players. That attitude is what is generating the pushback here.

How many league players aspire to "go up the ladder"? I bet not that many. And there are undoubtedly many reasons for that. But one reason is that there is no clear vision and understanding of what is up there at the top of that ladder. Because it doesn't exist. (Your argument was that AZB must be mostly league players, since they don't want to go up, and that attitude will not serve you well, but that's another argument.) I bet there are more league players than active non-league players out there, at least in this country. Where do you expect to get your audience from?

Of course there are many other reasons, too. Most of us aren't that good, or can understand that we will never be that good. Many realize that the time required to "be that good" is more than they are willing to commit to. Many league players enjoy playing, but hate watching, even their own friends.

You are expecting the mass of league and recreational players across the country to feel the same way about pool that you do, and I get that. I think that expectation is a bit on the optimistic side. Your cart is before the horse. You are trying to get people to buy into the promise of big league pool, but if any of the other big league sports had to rely on PPV in order to become successful, none of them would have survived. I realize that it's not what anyone wants to hear, but TV....TV....TV.... and big crowds to see the events in person are what is required to be successful. Yes, I understand that if no one does anything to change it, it will never change, and for that I applaud you. I really hope that what you are doing becomes successful.

I am interested in following your progress here, but no, I won't be buying the PPV's. My available money is better spent on other things, in my little world. I don't have a ton of extra money currently, so throwing $9.95 at something isn't something I do lightly. I think that perhaps there are more people like me out there, as opposed to those who can drop $9.95 easily on things. Those sorts are your target market, without a doubt.

I wish you luck. I hope it becomes successful. I mean that sincerely.

I definitely appreciate your comments and probably agree with everything, but that is the shame of it. You are right about the players. They don't have a system to look up to, so why really try? To make less than they do now?

That is the problem and I feel the only solution is from within. There is no big TV guy on a white horse that will rescue the game.

I actually think the game is fine the way it is if it is just a parlor game or leagues of people who want to get together, but I don't think it will ever get the best players a life.

I do feel bad that some of you are taking this as though I am pushing my will on you, which I couldn't do even if I tried. I just thought that after understanding that it is in your hands, there would be more people who feel like me. I guess not.

I do have to explore the money. Is that the biggest sticking point? If not, what is? If so, can I fix it?

Thanks,
Jim
 
I wish I had some answers to help you, Jim, but I don't.

At least you are trying to do something. That's more than most can say. Who knows, maybe this will catch on, or maybe by doing this, you will find your way towards another avenue that might work even better.

Again, best of luck with it.
 
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I wish I had some answers to help you, Jim, but I don't.

At least you are trying to do something. That's more than most can say. Who knows, maybe this will catch on, or maybe by doing this, you will find your way towards another avenue that might work even better.

Again, best of luck with it.

OK, I have thought about this for a while now and I have been torn between having the game seen and protecting the players so they don't play for nothing. I've come up with a solution that may go down both ways. I am offering a 75% off coupon for AZ Billiards people so they can see what we are doing at a price that may be more doable for most people.

Please just put AZB in the coupon code and press submit as you purchase the match and the price will be reduced by 75%. I hope this is a workable solution for everyone at this time. This will be good till the end of January. Please pass it around.

Thanks,
Jim
 
Right

Being an Earl Strickland fan, I paid the $9.95 to watch this match. I'm glad that he will receive a piece of that as well as some going to the other players. I feel like I can show these players how much I enjoy watching them compete by directly putting money into the prize fund.

Thank you Jim.

Yes, I think that everyone has learned a little from Earl over the years watching videos that he was in, and it is nice that a little of that money will actually get to him. Even easier with the AZB discount of 75%.

Thanks
 
Jim,

Is this discount still available?

Yes, I think that everyone has learned a little from Earl over the years watching videos that he was in, and it is nice that a little of that money will actually get to him. Even easier with the AZB discount of 75%.

Thanks
 
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We really need to change the perception of pool players. Make them people to look up to, not just people who have talent, but get no respect.

Having the first 3-5 things someone sees on the website talking about making players "wealthy" and why you should pay is NOT going to change the perception of pool players. If anything the casual fan is going to think its just another scam by people trying to make money.

First thing I thought when I saw this is "why are they trying to convince me to spend money so fast?"

Obviously you need to make money but you need to use better marketing than "pay me so we can make other people wealthy."

You don't see the MLB, NFL, NBA, etc plastering reasons to pay for something on their site. Also your points are quite a bit off, all of the above mentioned sports went through a time when their players didn't make a lot of money and most of them had other jobs. Their success didn't hinge on making players "wealthy", the success came from people wanting to watch and ticket sales didn't have to be justified, not being convinced to pay to "make players wealthy."
 
Thanks for the comment

Having the first 3-5 things someone sees on the website talking about making players "wealthy" and why you should pay is NOT going to change the perception of pool players. If anything the casual fan is going to think its just another scam by people trying to make money.

First thing I thought when I saw this is "why are they trying to convince me to spend money so fast?"

Obviously you need to make money but you need to use better marketing than "pay me so we can make other people wealthy."

You don't see the MLB, NFL, NBA, etc plastering reasons to pay for something on their site. Also your points are quite a bit off, all of the above mentioned sports went through a time when their players didn't make a lot of money and most of them had other jobs. Their success didn't hinge on making players "wealthy", the success came from people wanting to watch and ticket sales didn't have to be justified, not being convinced to pay to "make players wealthy."

First, I want to thank you for the comments. I will try to explain my reasoning.

The first thing is that I have heard a few people say that it isn't the way to do this. The fact is that there is no way to do this. If you had a way, you would have told me. All you do is tell me what not to do. So, how do I do it? When you think about it, no one knows how to deal with pool players. They don't respond to anything but free. And that is the problem and that has always been the problem.

Your comment about other pro athletes is kind of half right. Maybe in the 20's they were working other jobs, but I can tell you that in 1950, becoming a baseball player and making $150,000 a year was the dream of every kid and their families. In the 50's pro pool players were making less than people who worked in J C Penny's and now 60 years later, they are making less than someone who works at Walmart's. Pool hasn't progressed one bit since then. So if you are waiting for someone to figure out some cute trick to make you spend your money, you're going to wait a long time.

I have been trying to just be honest with everyone and say that there is no help coming from the outside. It, in my opinion, must come from the inside. People who play and have their sites on playing for a living. I don't believe the casual observer will ever help pool. It isn't interesting enough to people who don't play. All it would take right now for a good start is that 1,000 serious players understand the concept and put down a small amount of money and it could work.

But I'm afraid that counting on someone who revels in the fact that someone will rip off other players for their skills and show the videos for nothing has not been a great way to go. What I have said all along is that if the players don't understand this concept and feel that I'm doing something underhanded, it will not work.

My other point, which I have said all along is that this will not become a big audience sport which has been true for ever and will be true in the future, so the future is up to you.

There is no way to get you to spend $9.95 or $2.50 with the AZB coupon code if you are waiting for someone to come in and spend millions on something you want and give it to you for nothing. Those people all go out of business. In fact, almost everything in pool is not doing well anymore. Production costs are too high to produce something for you if you don't care to support it. I was willing to work for an end that would be good for everyone.

If you want to wait till someone comes along and figures out exactly how to talk to you guys so you feel comfortable spending that beer money, I think you'll be waiting a long time. Maybe another 50 years. I don't think any of you can wait that long.

In conclusion, you're right, I don't know how to talk to you. I'm telling you what needs to be done, in my opinion, how I am going to do it, and what I will do to make it work. If it doesn't hit you right, I just don't know what else I can do.

Thanks,
Jim
 
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