Comments about these cues, only if you have tried them or own them?

Gogafem

Gogafem

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Alright, so I've narrowed down my new cue choices to the following 5. If you have ever tried or owned any of the following cues please tell me your comments about them.
I can get the Viking for 200$ through a local dealer easily. (Also I may go for the custom version, which would add to the price)
I can get the Lucasi Hybrid LHSP from another city here any day, but it's more expensive than on the site.
Poison and Mezz I can also get through a dealer nearby.
Only Pechauer I will have to order myself. I have never tried a Pechauer cue.
1) Lucasi Hybrid LHSP
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/luhyfulh.html
-Lucasi Hybrid LH10
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/luhycuel.html
2) Poison Arsenic AR1(Or any Arsenic)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/poison-cues-2nd-gen-arsenic-1.html
-Poison Nitro NI1(Or any Nitro)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/poison-nitro-cue-ni1.html
-Poison VX play(This one is kind of cheap, is it good?)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/pocuvxplto.html
3) Pechauer JP04L
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/j-pechauer-pool-cue-jp04l.html
(Or any Pechauer of same quality of course)
4) Viking V105 Blue(Or any Viking of same quality with a Vikore shaft)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/viking-cue-v105-bl.html
5) Any of the SA series Mezz cues(Like SA-K, SA-1A...). Those seem to be pretty cheap at a local store(About 300-400$ or so).

What do you think?
 
I have both a Lucasi hybrid and a Poison AR1, the hybrid is my daily player and the AR1 is something I picked up for when I play with a friend that doesn't have a cue. Thing I don't like about the poison cue is the bullet joint, no one else uses it and I think only poison and predator make shafts with that joint standard.

Most lucasi hybrids will play very similar as the technology is the same, the increased cost comes from aesthetics. That said, I like the lucasi more than the poison, the lucasi shaft especially is better but I switched to a 314-2.

I'm planning on buying a mezz to try out myself as the last step before an expensive custom cue but have not tried one yet.
 
I haven't played with a uni-loc cue that I like yet. Seems like they soften up the hit a lot. IDK, could just be in my head too. The Pechaur is pry the best of that group. They don't play too bad.

best,

Justin
 
waylander said:
I have both a Lucasi hybrid and a Poison AR1, the hybrid is my daily player and the AR1 is something I picked up for when I play with a friend that doesn't have a cue. Thing I don't like about the poison cue is the bullet joint, no one else uses it and I think only poison and predator make shafts with that joint standard.

Most lucasi hybrids will play very similar as the technology is the same, the increased cost comes from aesthetics. That said, I like the lucasi more than the poison, the lucasi shaft especially is better but I switched to a 314-2.

I'm planning on buying a mezz to try out myself as the last step before an expensive custom cue but have not tried one yet.
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I don't mind the bullet joint, as if I'm ever going to get another shaft for it, it's definitely going to be a Predator.
I have tried the Poison AR5 cue, but only for a few hits.
As for Lucasi, I'm waiting to try one from a local player here...
The only Mezz cue I've tried is the Mika Immonen model 1. Amazing cue... But that one is over 1000$.
 
I have been learning and playing with a poison v.x. 2.9 torch playing cue for about two years now.
We have a 9ft table at work and I use my daily 30min (sometimes a bit longer ;) ) lunch break, and sometimes some after work time too, to play.

The cue has a firm hit and has a lot less vibration when compared to my colleagues cue, a cheaper buffalo maxim which is half the price.

I replaced the tip with a Kamui black medium today, it had a Kamui black soft before and the original sarin before that.
I sometimes had some trouble dosing effect and speed with the soft tip, the medium fits me better :)

I'm definitely no pro player, but I am starting to get serious about my game and have run a rack a few times.
Anyway I like playing with it, especially with the Kamui tip.
 
BreeeZe said:
I have been learning and playing with a poison v.x. 2.9 torch playing cue for about two years now.
We have a 9ft table at work and I use my daily 30min (sometimes a bit longer ;) ) lunch break, and sometimes some after work time too, to play.

The cue has a firm hit and has a lot less vibration when compared to my colleagues cue, a cheaper buffalo maxim which is half the price.

I replaced the tip with a Kamui black medium today, it had a Kamui black soft before and the original sarin before that.
I sometimes had some trouble dosing effect and speed with the soft tip, the medium fits me better :)

I'm definitely no pro player, but I am starting to get serious about my game and have run a rack a few times.
Anyway I like playing with it, especially with the Kamui tip.
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I see... What did you think of the Sarin tip? Compared to the Kamui one, what is it like? I use Kamui Medium right now.
 
I have a little higher end Pechauer cue but I can say they hit well and are durable. I have had no complaints with the two I have owned.
 
Cool. Can you tell me the model name of the higher end Pechauer? Does it play the same as the one I posted?
 
BreeeZe said:
The sarin tip wasn't bad, but to me the Kamui feels a bit tighter if that makes sense :)
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Heh I guess I'll try the Sarin if I get a Poison, as it will come with it. If I don't like it as much as Kamui I'll switch after I use it up.
 
Gogafem said:
Heh I guess I'll try the Sarin if I get a Poison, as it will come with it. If I don't like it as much as Kamui I'll switch after I use it up.
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I just checked, I actually own my VX almost 3 years now, and the sarin tip lasted just short of one full year.

I placed my first Kamui black M on it after that which I switch to a black soft about a year later, and the black M still had a lot left, I recently recycled it and put it on a colleagues cue actually, 1 month before I bought myself a new Black M :grin:

Anyway, the cue feels a lot better than a cheap 100 euro cue, especially on the harder hits.
I never played with a more expensive cue though, but I image that at least the more expensive poison cues feel about the same having the same shaft.

Hope this helps :)
 
BreeeZe said:
I just checked, I actually own my VX almost 3 years now, and the sarin tip lasted just short of one full year.

I placed my first Kamui black M on it after that which I switch to a black soft about a year later, and the black M still had a lot left, I recently recycled it and put it on a colleagues cue actually, 1 month before I bought myself a new Black M :grin:

Anyway, the cue feels a lot better than a cheap 100 euro cue, especially on the harder hits.
I never played with a more expensive cue though, but I image that at least the more expensive poison cues feel about the same having the same shaft.

Hope this helps :)
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Yeah, the shaft and tip are the most important part of any cue. The butt is also important of course, because:
1) The grip and it's holding style(Which you get used to). Another thing about the VX, it's got a really unique grip. I have seen a VB jump cue and the grip looks even better in person.
2) The balance and weight.

I have personally tried the Arsenic AR1 cue in another city, but only for like 2 shots. Felt really nice, but really got to play it more... I have never tried the VX playing cue :(... If the retailer in the capital city here has it I'll ask him to try both. In fact, I'll ask him to try every cue he has I'm interested in buying.
 
BreeeZe said:
I just checked, I actually own my VX almost 3 years now, and the sarin tip lasted just short of one full year.

I placed my first Kamui black M on it after that which I switch to a black soft about a year later, and the black M still had a lot left, I recently recycled it and put it on a colleagues cue actually, 1 month before I bought myself a new Black M :grin:

Anyway, the cue feels a lot better than a cheap 100 euro cue, especially on the harder hits.
I never played with a more expensive cue though, but I image that at least the more expensive poison cues feel about the same having the same shaft.

Hope this helps :)
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Putting a Kamui tip on my first playing cue has really extended its life and value. As for my next cue, whichever one it may be, I'll do the same one day, when I have enough money - by getting a Predator shaft.
 
Gogafem said:
Alright, so I've narrowed down my new cue choices to the following 5. If you have ever tried or owned any of the following cues please tell me your comments about them.
I can get the Viking for 200$ through a local dealer easily. (Also I may go for the custom version, which would add to the price)
I can get the Lucasi Hybrid LHSP from another city here any day, but it's more expensive than on the site.
Poison and Mezz I can also get through a dealer nearby.
Only Pechauer I will have to order myself. I have never tried a Pechauer cue.
1) Lucasi Hybrid LHSP
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/luhyfulh.html
-Lucasi Hybrid LH10
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/luhycuel.html
2) Poison Arsenic AR1(Or any Arsenic)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/poison-cues-2nd-gen-arsenic-1.html
-Poison Nitro NI1(Or any Nitro)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/poison-nitro-cue-ni1.html
-Poison VX play(This one is kind of cheap, is it good?)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/pocuvxplto.html
3) Pechauer JP04L
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/j-pechauer-pool-cue-jp04l.html
(Or any Pechauer of same quality of course)
4) Viking V105 Blue(Or any Viking of same quality with a Vikore shaft)
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/viking-cue-v105-bl.html
5) Any of the SA series Mezz cues(Like SA-K, SA-1A...). Those seem to be pretty cheap at a local store(About 300-400$ or so).

What do you think?
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Go with a Schon for that money hands down-your missing the bus to go any thing else :-)
 
I have a P05 Pechauer. Their cues have the best finish on the market. My Pech is a great player. Seyberts prices may be better than others on some of the Pechauer cues...however it looks like the price went up substantially since I bought mine last July.
 
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I started playing pool with an LH10. It's a pretty decent cue, but the rubber wrap has worn down to a blue lining underneath, and below that you can see the wood. Their LD shaft isn't too bad either, but since then i'm moved on.

I don't know how long you've been playing, but little things like the wood joint on the LHSP is something to think about.
 
Some reviews for you

If you are choosing the cues based on price and looks you might be disappointed even if you get what you want. Our minds work in strange ways and you will look at parts of answers provided and elevate that point to substantiate a previous notion that you already hold.
A blindfold test of all the cues is the only way to get the cue that FEELS THE BEST in your hand when you strike the ball.

I will still offer a review to assist you.

Lucasi LH 10 - is probably going to feel the best for the money.
This is a great all around hitting cue. It is easy to adapt the feeling of the hit by adding your tip of choice.
I have yet to hold a Lucasi that was not able to be placed in the 'useable' category. Great quality control when a product is manufactured is the only way to ensure a uniform feeling in an item like a pool cue. There is a reason why they are the biggest seller in the marketplace.

Poison - I have had mixed reactions from buyers of ALL the Poison range. Some love them and some hate them. I have also conducted tests with a couple of unhappy buyers - and participated myself.
Poison VX Play - We played with 2 of the same cue (VX Play) and they hit completely differently. The customer changed brands after learning that this is a common factor in the Poison range.
Poison AR 1 - I have played with the AR 2 but they are supposed to be the same item with cosmetic differences only.
It seemed forgiving and the balls all went in the direction they were supposed to. Experimentation with some harder/forced shots were unsuccessful. This may be due to the tip but I have enough testing knowledge to say that both the tip and shaft do not react well under those more 'difficult' shot conditions.
Poison N 1 - I picked it up and hit 3 balls. Did not feel comfortable at all. To be honest the octagonal butt is uncomfortable to hold for me. It may suit others but 40+ years of playing with round butts may have a bearing on this. No puns relating to the last line please...LOL

It is important that I state that I do not hate Predator/Poison. I actually play with a Predator butt although it was made under licence by Mezz. Most previous special editions were made by Falcon or Mezz.
I have become aware over the years of some issues with the manufacturing process that occurs under Predator's watch. It is likely to be due to a lack of QC at the factory. I say this because some other brands are also made in the same factory and their quality ranges vastly based on whether or not there is a 'hands on' role by the company whose cues are being produced.
I am not talking out of school here. Others in the retail cue industry are well aware of this shortcoming.

Pechauer JP 04L - I have not tried this specific cue. I have played with a high end Pechauer and it was great. Hits correctly under soft or hard/forced conditions. I have also never heard of any major issues with manufacturing. They have been in the business long enough for any issues to surface...which hasn't happened.

Viking V 105 - I have not tried this specific cue. I have played with other Vikings and some were good and some not so good.
Viking do make a quality product but the 'technology' that other brands build into their products sometimes makes Viking look expensive for a basic item. My view is that manufacturing costs in USA are restrictive to some brands in pricing to match some offshore manufacturers. This seems to be an issue at Viking.

Mezz SA Series - This range is the starter range for Mezz. Very popular with League level players in a lot of countries. I have played with a few of these. Hits great and the feel changes suitably with any change of tip - a trait that is usually only apparent in higher end cues rather than a basic range. The shaft is a basic one piece maple and does not quite have the feel of the WD700 shaft from Mezz. This can also be said of other basic series when compared with higher priced models.
Mezz is probably the benchmark in manufacturing standards within our industry. Their QC is second to none.

It is important that I state that I am an agent for Mezz. I rated the Lucasi honestly as a great cue for the price and would probably rate the SA series from Mezz the same but the Mezz is a little pricier. I try to be impartial because if a customer is disappointed due to my advice, then I have an unhappy customer and that is NOT GOOD for me!

I hope this info has helped in some way.
I still stand by the statement that the 'feel' of the cue is the most important thing to a player. I urge you to try as many cues as you can in your price range to get the best idea of what is right for you.
 
You really owe it to yourself to put your hands on a Jerry Olivierbefore you buy anything. They hit great and feel great in your hands.---Smitty
 
evanlockhart said:
I started playing pool with an LH10. It's a pretty decent cue, but the rubber wrap has worn down to a blue lining underneath, and below that you can see the wood. Their LD shaft isn't too bad either, but since then i'm moved on.

I don't know how long you've been playing, but little things like the wood joint on the LHSP is something to think about.
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Oh wow, didn't know that grip could wear off like that from playing...
So you would recommend LHSP over LH10?
 
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