8 Ball Analyze: Rack #17

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mohrt

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Solids or stripes? What's the plan?

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i would kick off the long rail next to the 4 ball, to make the 15 and take stripes. after the 2nd shot should be pretty easy to dictate position needed for the rest of the rack. (damn thats a small table:grin:)
 
I like stripes. I'd start with the 4/15 combination with a little draw to get a decent angle on the 14 (hopefully not have the 4 tie things up). I'd cut the 14, run into the 9/8 fairly soft but since the 14 and 8 are parallel, it's not a tough hit to judge and I'm pretty certain to come away with a shot on the 9 traveling toward the corner pocket. From there, my focus is clearing the 12 and 9 and getting on the 10 in the side as straight as possible. I can play the 11 with slight draw, get on the 13 in the side and hopefully manufacture a shot on the 8. it's not a lot of fun but I'm confident I can do it.
 
To start (and I would need to see the table a bit better from the side), I would shoot the 7 into the 10 to break out the 5 and 13. By doing this for your next shot you will have either the 15/14/11 as your next shot depending on how the breakout goes so I like it having options. That and by doing this you still keep the 15 blocking the 4 and can declare stripes which look better IMO.
 
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Yeah, stripes, but I'd start with the 7-10 combo to break the 13 out. Then it's wide open. Only possible problem might be the 8-9, but it looks like the 9 might go by the 8 in the corner...if it don't, looks like an easy break out using the 14, 15 or12 ball.

L8R...Ken

edit: Looks like Spimp and me think alike.
 
7-10 combo to start for me....a number of balls up by the 8, 9 in case the 9 doesn't go.
 
Spimp13 said:
Great minds think alike :grin:

Also even if the 9 is a bit goofy on that 8, you have 3 balls that all can potentially be used to break it out if need be.
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I answered before reading the responses....there are 3 of us. Oh, and Alyssa, yeah, I'm with ya on that too!!!
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I like stripes. I'd start with the 4/15 combination with a little draw to get a decent angle on the 14 (hopefully not have the 4 tie things up). I'd cut the 14, run into the 9/8 fairly soft but since the 14 and 8 are parallel, it's not a tough hit to judge and I'm pretty certain to come away with a shot on the 9 traveling toward the corner pocket. From there, my focus is clearing the 12 and 9 and getting on the 10 in the side as straight as possible. I can play the 11 with slight draw, get on the 13 in the side and hopefully manufacture a shot on the 8. it's not a lot of fun but I'm confident I can do it.
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^^ This.

The 13 goes in the side. The 9 doesn't go. That means you have to deal with the 9 first. To those who are saying to break up the 13 on the first shot -- you'd better break that 9 perfectly and get out. If you don't get out, you've left a wide open table for your opponent. At least by leaving the 5-13 to the end, if you miss your opponent still has some work to do.
 
Stripes for sure. 4 - 15 combo. draw for 14, then 12, then 9 in the side. 10 side, get straight on 11 corner, and slight draw for 13 other side.
 
You don't have to break the 9 out perfectly as you have 2 other balls that are close enough to the hole as backups. No matter which of the three balls you choose to break it out, the other 2 are in good shape as backup balls.


Edit....I printed this off and will go home and do it on the table and will report feedback on how I ended up with my decision. I will do it 3 times to see if I run out with the way I mentioned.
 
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Not being very thorough I forgot to add the reason I dont like shooting the 4 15 combo first to play draw for the 14 shape to break out the 9...is that you have 3 things happen here if you do that shot.

1. You need to play good draw shape
2. You need to make your combo
3. You neeed to not have the 4 ball go forward and block the 14

Now you aren't drawing much here...but hitting low probably will make the 4 ball go forward a bit....

I personally just like addressing the 9 after I break out my solid/stripe early on with that combo I mentioned and have multiple stripes that are in great shape for me afterward.

If you take the shot you mentioned you will have to work on potentially hitting perfect speed on the 10 in the side to get shape on the 13 or still break it out...BUT have less backup balls for your next shot if you take the other stripes early on....
 
Spimp13 said:
You don't have to break the 9 out perfectly as you have 2 other balls that are close enough to the hole as backups. No matter which of the three balls you choose to break it out, the other 2 are in good shape as backup balls.


Edit....I printed this off and will go home and do it on the table and will report feedback on how I ended up with my decision. I will do it 3 times to see if I run out with the way I mentioned.
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I'd like to know how you do. The one thing that worries me about my route is where the 4 goes on the opening shot. It might tie up the 12 or otherwise block that pocket.

I don't think breaking the 13 first is a bad play. I just think that my priority is clearing the 9 because the 13 already has a pocket and a way to get the shape you need.
 
I have an HD flip camera but the file size is beyond huge so it doesn't download easily even to an ftp site...I am honest though so you can trust my feedback 100% whether it is missing the combo that I try on the very first shot, or running out.
 
In the spirit of things here is what I will do for fun/feedback

3 attempts with what I mentioned
3 attempts with the 4/15 combo first
3 attempts with solids...most likely 2 in the corner first to play shape on the 4...just for shts and giggles
 
7-10 and take stripes, focusing on hitting the left side of the carom so as to not get stuck to the orange 13. Depending on how things lay I would try to clear the 13 and 11 and play to approach the green 14 from center of the table. Make the 14 with draw and bump the 8 to free up the last cluster. Clearing the table from there should be fairly easy, provided you dont cluster anything up hitting the 8 too hard coming off the 14 with draw.
 
Spimp13 said:
In the spirit of things here is what I will do for fun/feedback

3 attempts with what I mentioned
3 attempts with the 4/15 combo first
3 attempts with solids...most likely 2 in the corner first to play shape on the 4...just for shts and giggles
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After all this, I bet solids wins :grin:
 
7 foot table with huge side pockets.

I would take the 7-10 in the side and roll the cue ball forward for the 13 in the other side. Stop for the 11, draw back for the 14. Next I slide the cue ball over for the 9 in that huge side pocket with the 12 then 15 with easy shape on the 8.:thumbup:
 
TSW said:
After all this, I bet solids wins :grin:
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lol...unless I intentionally dump so it doesn't j/k! Its a bit hard to tell the angle on the 2 to get to the 4...will have to look at it closer when I get home. It is definitely my least favorite option. I emailed this to 3 friends and my wife. Oddly enough my wife said the combo/breakout (shes a 4 in APA)...and the highest handicap out of the 4 (my buddy who is a 6), said solids with the 2 ball first! I scolded him but told him I would try it 3 times as well.
 
Spimp13 said:
lol...unless I intentionally dump so it doesn't j/k! Its a bit hard to tell the angle on the 2 to get to the 4...will have to look at it closer when I get home. It is definitely my least favorite option. I emailed this to 3 friends and my wife. Oddly enough my wife said the combo/breakout (shes a 4 in APA)...and the highest handicap out of the 4 (my buddy who is a 6), said solids with the 2 ball first! I scolded him but told him I would try it 3 times as well.
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LOL!

Ok, ok, here's a new one. First shot: kick one rail into the dead 8-9 combo. Pocket the 9; claim stripes. Game ovah.
 
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