I'm with you - I'm 70 yrs old - hope to be around when it comes out.
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I'm with you - I'm 70 yrs old - hope to be around when it comes out.
My point is that Stan was just trying to create a straight in shot.The pocket shouldn't matter.The balls laid almost the same on all 3.You have a repeatable routine on the cb and ob ,the fake pocket is still a target.(it should've been hit) Things like this need questioned because your visual perception that takes your eyes to a position that leads to a pocket is very confusing.
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There is a slight overcut in the system.
The only way to hit all 3 pockets is to line up center to center, which is not a visual in Pro One.
The system connects you to the pockets on a 2x1 regulation table.
Stan was pointing out that this is a perceptual system. A given visual and sweep does not necessarily take you to one angle. What you are questioning is the heart of all the questions about this system, and why many think it must not work. This topic has been addressed explained and demonstrated here and on Stan's many videos. The only way to get it is at the table, because reading it alone will never make sense. So I'll repeat again: every CB OB relationship has a unique perception that connects with a pocket. Your initial eye alignment will be 1/2 tip sweep from the shot line.
Watch Stan's 3 part perception videos on YouTube, those are pretty good at addressing these questions.
If one can create the rite perception for a straight in shot,this perception should hold up for all straight lines.This is something that's repeatable,its what you want .Doing the same thing and coming up with a different line is nothing but making an adjust off of knowing where the pocket is.Nothing really change in his video.
You control your perception,you make it a center pocket system and without the rite perception nothing really works.Well I guess after many year's of pounding ball's into the rail your subconscious will give you the rite perception.
I understand some got a lot invested in this system so your stand on this is understandable.
Anthony
Anthony - try it
Gerry, I cannot create 2 different perception's off the same exact movement's.
If I did ,they weren't the same .
Anthony
Hi Anthony, I know you have sincere interest and your questions are valid. I'm only trying to tell you what I understand the best that I can. The only real way through this is time at the table. You will unlock your own questions through experience. But I'll do my best here.
Every CB/OB has a unique perception. This means when you line up A/B/C with CTEL, your exact eye position will be unique, as in not always the same. Sometimes this perception will take you straight into a pocket if indeed there is a pocket there. Otherwise the perception may take your eyes to an ever-so-slightly different alignment, which after a 1/2 tip pivot, connects you to a pocket such as a bank shot.
Now the beauty is, as the shooter, you don't need to think about this or do anything different. You do one thing: line yourself up on A/B/C CTEL, and sweep left or right. Everything is procedurally exactly the same. The reason we end up on different angles is because this system plays off of our visual perception. Each CB/OB takes the eye to a unique perception that connects to the pockets. Is this something our mind does subconsciously? Is there a mathematical equation? Are we making adjustments? All good questions. However, the proof is in the outcome. Through practice and repetition, doing the exact same thing lining up A/B/C and sweep (everything procedurally identical) our eyes/body learn to understand what it is looking for, what is right for each and every shot. The results are extremely proficient ball pocketing, even for shots that may be unfamiliar since a handful of visuals work for all shots on the table.
The mind is an amazing thing. The visual perceptions on the table give us all the clues we need to connect to the pockets. CTE plays off of these perceptions, it gives us the necessary information for the mind to recognize and (objectively) utilize these perceptions, resulting in very proficient ball pocketing. This all sounds complicated, but our minds have the ability to unlock these perceptions rather quickly through practice and repetition.
I'll challenge you: shoot all the shots from DVD 1 (just the ones from the first manual CTE section) five times each, once a day for two weeks straight, no matter how good or bad you shoot them. This might take 20 mins or so, you don't want any longer session each time. Give the mind a chance to digest it all between days. See if your understanding/ability changes between day 1 and day 14. I'm confident the mind will pick up what you're putting down pretty fast, and every day will show gradual results.
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I think you have a good explanation here - "procedurally identical". I believe a shooter gains consistency because of repetitive structured training, using a system where the shooter essentially is doing the same thing and therefore does not perceive different shots as adjustments anymore. This is the baseline, how it is supposed to be. Now I start realizing adjustment is not correct word here because if this is a baseline, there is no adjustment. Adjustment to me is when someone adjusts the baseline according to certain conditions. E.g. unusual shot where a part of a pocket is covered, different table, cue, etc.
For example, when you walk, you walk, then when there are stairs in front of you, you understand what to do and you just climb the stairs. This is the baseline. Now, let's say there is something different, for example, a very steep step. Now you have to adjust. However, because you have an experience, the adjustment is not very difficult and most steps are essentially the same. Still you have to do the work and climb these stairs, do these steps.
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Right, and that is a very important concept to understand. Although the system is procedurally identical and repeatable, the exact eye position will be very specific for any given shot, as perception plays a strong role in lining up A/B/C and CTEL.
Thanks for your willingness to help.
If its about perception,what did the curtain give Stan on this matter?
Time on pivoting....I have year's invested.
Anthony
Thanks for your willingness to help.
If its about perception,what did the curtain give Stan on this matter?
Time on pivoting....I have year's invested.
Anthony
If you have years invested, does it work? What pivot system are you invested in?
Stan,
You are the MAN - without a doubt you put up the videos proving your methods work as advertised. I have $500 that says no feel player on this forum can duplicate the videos you do showing multi rail banks from a single position in the same amount of shots it takes you to do it. I would even spot them several attempts and they still won't take the action because they KNOW they can't do it.
You are the MAN - without a doubt you put up the videos proving your methods work as advertised. I have $500 that says no feel player on this forum can duplicate the videos you do showing multi rail banks from a single position in the same amount of shots it takes you to do it. I would even spot them several attempts and they still won't take the action because they KNOW they can't do it.
Stan,
You are the MAN - without a doubt you put up the videos proving your methods work as advertised. I have $500 that says no feel player on this forum can duplicate the videos you do showing multi rail banks from a single position in the same amount of shots it takes you to do it. I would even spot them several attempts and they still won't take the action because they KNOW they can't do it.
All of those banks I diagrammed were made using Pro One.
Maybe Duckie can post a video of himself making that 5 rail one a few times in a row. Hey Duckie, you can even use the arrow
Something I've been thinking about (and Stan please chime in if you have other insight about this):
If you notice, a lot of players at a very high level using Pro One are (likely) already short-stop or better shooters without a specific aiming system. This is something telling: stroke and knowledge is extremely important to be consistent. Take Gerry Williams for example. He smashes the 9-ball ghost routinely. Before he knew Pro One, he was already a semi-pro ranked player in Canada (at least thats what I'm told
So, I'm going to make a wild guess that stroke is 50% of the effort on a shot, experience/knowledge is 25%, and aiming is the other 25%. This means if stroke is not razor sharp, you will never be consistent, regardless of the aim! A lot of people struggling with Pro One may very well be struggling with their stroke as well, making everything that much more frustrating. You have to couple a razor sharp stroke to make an aiming system work to its full potential.
Now lets move to the other side of the coin. Lets take guys that are razor sharp at stroke, they have a lot of experience playing, but their aiming technique is purely feel. That is, they don't really take conscious objective aim, they do everything based on experience. Aim just may be their weakest link. I'm guessing this is where Gerry Williams was before taking on Pro One. Now his aim is based on objective targets instead of pure feel, and I have a hunch his game has climbed another notch because of it. (Gerry feel free to tell your story
So I guess what I'm trying to say here, CTE Pro One aiming can take your aiming to the highest level. However, there is no substitute for stroke and shot knowledge. You *have* to put in the time to master that part of your game, along with aiming to put it all together and be a top player.
With that, if you are serious about pool, get professional lessons. I'll highly recommend Stan's private courses to take *all* aspects of your game to the next level. He will give you all the tools and knowledge it takes, not just CTE!
If you notice, a lot of players at a very high level using Pro One are (likely) already short-stop or better shooters without a specific aiming system. This is something telling: stroke and knowledge is extremely important to be consistent. Take Gerry Williams for example. He smashes the 9-ball ghost routinely. Before he knew Pro One, he was already a semi-pro ranked player in Canada (at least thats what I'm told
So, I'm going to make a wild guess that stroke is 50% of the effort on a shot, experience/knowledge is 25%, and aiming is the other 25%. This means if stroke is not razor sharp, you will never be consistent, regardless of the aim! A lot of people struggling with Pro One may very well be struggling with their stroke as well, making everything that much more frustrating. You have to couple a razor sharp stroke to make an aiming system work to its full potential.
Now lets move to the other side of the coin. Lets take guys that are razor sharp at stroke, they have a lot of experience playing, but their aiming technique is purely feel. That is, they don't really take conscious objective aim, they do everything based on experience. Aim just may be their weakest link. I'm guessing this is where Gerry Williams was before taking on Pro One. Now his aim is based on objective targets instead of pure feel, and I have a hunch his game has climbed another notch because of it. (Gerry feel free to tell your story
So I guess what I'm trying to say here, CTE Pro One aiming can take your aiming to the highest level. However, there is no substitute for stroke and shot knowledge. You *have* to put in the time to master that part of your game, along with aiming to put it all together and be a top player.
With that, if you are serious about pool, get professional lessons. I'll highly recommend Stan's private courses to take *all* aspects of your game to the next level. He will give you all the tools and knowledge it takes, not just CTE!
Very true and great points.
I know when I first started with Pro One last November, my fundamentals were no where near as good as they are today. I've constantly worked on improving my stroke in the last year, and as my stroke improved, so did my use of Pro One.
I know when I first started with Pro One last November, my fundamentals were no where near as good as they are today. I've constantly worked on improving my stroke in the last year, and as my stroke improved, so did my use of Pro One.
Something I've been thinking about (and Stan please chime in if you have other insight about this):
If you notice, a lot of players at a very high level using Pro One are (likely) already short-stop or better shooters without a specific aiming system. This is something telling: stroke and knowledge is extremely important to be consistent. Take Gerry Williams for example. He smashes the 9-ball ghost routinely. Before he knew Pro One, he was already a semi-pro ranked player in Canada (at least thats what I'm told
So, I'm going to make a wild guess that stroke is 50% of the effort on a shot, experience/knowledge is 25%, and aiming is the other 25%. This means if stroke is not razor sharp, you will never be consistent, regardless of the aim! A lot of people struggling with Pro One may very well be struggling with their stroke as well, making everything that much more frustrating. You have to couple a razor sharp stroke to make an aiming system work to its full potential.
Now lets move to the other side of the coin. Lets take guys that are razor sharp at stroke, they have a lot of experience playing, but their aiming technique is purely feel. That is, they don't really take conscious objective aim, they do everything based on experience. Aim just may be their weakest link. I'm guessing this is where Gerry Williams was before taking on Pro One. Now his aim is based on objective targets instead of pure feel, and I have a hunch his game has climbed another notch because of it. (Gerry feel free to tell your story
So I guess what I'm trying to say here, CTE Pro One aiming can take your aiming to the highest level. However, there is no substitute for stroke and shot knowledge. You *have* to put in the time to master that part of your game, along with aiming to put it all together and be a top player.
With that, if you are serious about pool, get professional lessons. I'll highly recommend Stan's private courses to take *all* aspects of your game to the next level. He will give you all the tools and knowledge it takes, not just CTE!
Great points, Monte. I'd like to emphasize, though, that CTE PRO ONE is a complete shooting system. The routine aspect of how one can connect visually and physically to a table is huge. Aim is only one part of what CTE gives. CTE allows for a mindset that is professional in so many ways.....
A last point is that the system objectivity is conducive to an "overall game" shorter learning curve for any player. It is possible now for players to know the details of what once was inexplicable .
Having said all that, I still work hard at improving my skills. Pool is a tough game and I for one still love it's challenges.
Stan Shuffett
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