Tips & Spin- Soft vs Hard who gots the most!?

kickshotkid said:
Does anyone know for sure which tip gets the most spin hard or soft I have herd it both ways, soft because it gets more grip, and hard because you get more power with less force. I actually changed from medium to hard tips long ago after hearing that, but have noticed a lot of players using and saying soft tips get the most spin. I prefer the feel of harder tips and firmer hitting cues so that's what I will always play with but I am very curious to know which really gets the most spin, I also wonder how much the difference is my guess is probably not to much.
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The exact answer is....
the tip you will get the most spin out of is the tip that you will get the most spin out of. I can guarantee you that. The answer is different for everyone and no scientific experiment is going to be the same for every player so you can throw all that crap out the window. Nothing is constant when comparing tips with real people as everyone hits differently and we can never hit the ball the same twice in a row to get an accurate comparison. Just an overall feel and opinion.

This thread is an exercise in futility. And that's my 2 cents.
 
Sheldon said:
Yep.
I tend to take anything Bob and Mike say VERY SERIOUSLY. If they say it, you can bet they've exhaustively tested it!

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4530117&postcount=22
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I'd say it's much closer than a bunch of forum users spouting their opinions as facts. You can see in the videos that the hardness of a tip has little to do with the contact time (dwell) on the cue ball. So, a soft tip will not result in any more spin than a harder tip. The spin in caused by friction. Thus, how well the tip is groomed, shape of the tip, and how well it holds chalk is what will result in more spin IF all else is equal (stroke). As you posted in your pie, the stroke is the most important variable.

As I understand it, many, many moons ago, tip hardness varied due to the size of table a person played on. A hard tip for big tables and a soft tip for smaller tables. This enabled a player to speed up or slow down his roll without much change in stroke. Obviously, in today's market, it comes down to 'feel.'
 
Joe Barringer said:
The exact answer is....
the tip you will get the most spin out of is the tip that you will get the most spin out of. I can guarantee you that. The answer is different for everyone and no scientific experiment is going to be the same for every player so you can throw all that crap out the window. Nothing is constant when comparing tips with real people as everyone hits differently and we can never hit the ball the same twice in a row to get an accurate comparison. Just an overall feel and opinion.

This thread is an exercise in futility. And that's my 2 cents.
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I wonder why if my question is so pointless so many people posted their thoughts on the matter and some of the smartest guys in pool took the time to do actual experiments on it and came out with real science based answers not just their 2 cent over all feel and opinion. Scientific experiments can be done on almost anything, the thing is you have to be smart enough to do them. Thanks for the opinion but please next time keep the change:wink:
 
ratcues said:
It's too bad that I posted a link to a site with all the answers, including video evidence, and there are still questions...










<~~can lead a horse to water...:rolleyes:
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Hey ratcues, don't worry the link you posted was not lost on me and of course was exactly what I was hoping to find, I no longer wonder. I thought I posted a thank you to you for that but I guess I didn't, so thank you for that.
 
kickshotkid said:
Hey ratcues, don't worry the link you posted was not lost on me and of course was exactly what I was hoping to find, I no longer wonder. I thought I posted a thank you to you for that but I guess I didn't, so thank you for that.
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No worries. That site is really cool, especially the videos.
 
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