Gareth Potts vs SVB.. who wins?

TheThaiger said:
You miss the point. If SVB fails to win a world title before he retires, will he ever be classed as being a world class player? In 30 year's time, AZB nerds will be unanimous over Strickland and Archer, but less so over SVB. Perceptions change with time.

I actually fear for SVB. If he decides he can't be bothered to play pool for 10 hours a day any more, and goes into a slow decline, the backlash will be horrible. He has too much pressure and expectation on his shoulders.
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I guess that's a "no" to my friendly wager. Well, offer still stands.

To answer your question, I think he is a world class player ALREADY. He just cannot be called a world champion (yet), at least not in 8b or 9b. Although in this debate I agree with, or at least understand, some of your other points, the suggestion that SVB is not yet a world class player is frankly untenable.

But I DO agree with the assertion that his legacy will have an asterisk next to it if he never wins one of the select World titles. I liken his current status with that of Phil Mickelson of golf. He had been in the PGA for 12 years and had won everything BUT a major championship. He was virtually unanimously regarded as the 2nd best player in the world (behind Tiger). But with a player of his talent it was basically inevitable that he would eventually win one. Now he has won 5 and people often forget how much flak he took from the media all those years. Talent has a way of overcoming luck eventually. Shane hasn't won a world title overseas, but its not like he's played awfully either. He has finished in the top 5 in several of them, it's just a matter of time before he wins one. He's only like 30 years old, and still improving imo.
 
TheThaiger said:
No one has to be anything, other than world champions. It's not a terribly difficult concept to grasp, Sean. Obviously Barton's always going to struggle to differentiate between national and international events, but I would have thought someone who has sailed the seven seas would have a clue.

When was the last American world champion, again? Do you think the inbuilt inferiority complex you yourself amply display on this very site is holding your boys back from performing on the international stage? I think there's something in this, and explains why SVB can't even tie his own shoelaces abroad.

You achieved independence from your colonial overloads centuries ago. There's really no need to worry; we aren't going to return. You are perfectly free to go about your business without the fear - some would say excitement - of us coming back and telling you what to do. Where we once sent soldiers, we now send pool players. Someone has to show you how to play. Once again, it is our burden.
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I actually stood up and saluted when I read that.. Off to the loo now to get some tissue. I appear to have something in my eye.. Sniff..
 
DaddysVisa said:
I guess that's a "no" to my friendly wager. Well, offer still stands.

To answer your question, I think he is a world class player ALREADY. He just cannot be called a world champion (yet), at least not in 8b or 9b. Although in this debate I agree with, or at least understand, some of your other points, the suggestion that SVB is not yet a world class player is frankly untenable.

But I DO agree with the assertion that his legacy will have an asterisk next to it if he never wins one of the select World titles. I liken his current status with that of Phil Mickelson of golf. He had been in the PGA for 12 years and had won everything BUT a major championship. He was virtually unanimously regarded as the 2nd best player in the world (behind Tiger). But with a player of his talent it was basically inevitable that he would eventually win one. Now he has won 5 and people often forget how much flak he took from the media all those years. Talent has a way of overcoming luck eventually. Shane hasn't won a world title overseas, but its not like he's played awfully either. He has finished in the top 5 in several of them, it's just a matter of time before he wins one. He's only like 30 years old, and still improving imo.
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No one is disputing Svb is a world class player. Hard to understand why he is the only world class player in the USA given your size..
 
DaddysVisa said:
I guess that's a "no" to my friendly wager. Well, offer still stands.

To answer your question, I think he is a world class player ALREADY. He just cannot be called a world champion (yet), at least not in 8b or 9b. Although in this debate I agree with, or at least understand, some of your other points, the suggestion that SVB is not yet a world class player is frankly untenable.

But I DO agree with the assertion that his legacy will have an asterisk next to it if he never wins one of the select World titles. I liken his current status with that of Phil Mickelson of golf. He had been in the PGA for 12 years and had won everything BUT a major championship. He was virtually unanimously regarded as the 2nd best player in the world (behind Tiger). But with a player of his talent it was basically inevitable that he would eventually win one. Now he has won 5 and people often forget how much flak he took from the media all those years. Talent has a way of overcoming luck eventually. Shane hasn't won a world title overseas, but its not like he's played awfully either. He has finished in the top 5 in several of them, it's just a matter of time before he wins one. He's only like 30 years old, and still improving imo.
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I hope he hurries up and wins one, for all our sakes...
 
voiceofreason said:
I actually stood up and saluted when I read that.. Off to the loo now to get some tissue. I appear to have something in my eye.. Sniff..
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Hmm... I chuckled in a couple "priceless" places, but yawned throughout. Tim must be in marketing.

-Sean
 
TheThaiger said:
SakuJack said:
Maybe he had sinusitis ;).
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It took a while, but lol.

I heard it was a bit of a headache and that.
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Didn't take a while with me, got it instantly. And chuckled -- it was a good one.

Still, it's a boor you "lot" jabber on about that (see? you've got me talking funny like you two). When all you have is a butterknife, I guess it becomes the primary tool. It can be a screwdriver, or a pry bar, or a chisel, or a scraper, or a hammer...

-Sean
 
We'll I may be mistaken but I can only see one player there from the team that got thrashed last year.... Those that are listed have no form at the world level whatsoever..
 
voiceofreason said:
We'll I may be mistaken but I can only see one player there from the team that got thrashed last year.... Those that are listed have no form at the world level whatsoever..
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I see that some world class players on the Mosconi cup team have been replaced with other world class players.

When the USA won by a large margin did it mean that the European opponents were not world class?

No form at the world level? Well all but one of these players have beaten international fields in multiple disciplines.
 
JB Cases said:
I see that some world class players on the Mosconi cup team have been replaced with other world class players.

When the USA won by a large margin did it mean that the European opponents were not world class?
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Snooker players and hackers were in those teams so yeah you're right....

No form at the world level? Well all but one of these players have beaten international fields in multiple disciplines.[/QUOTE]

Really? Links please...
 
I think there's a communication issue. You don't need to be a world champion to be considered world class.


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j_zippel said:
I think there's a communication issue. You don't need to be a world champion to be considered world class.
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Thaiger and voiceofreason, speaking in terms you'll understand, Zlatan has never won the Champions League. Is he not world class, is he not one of the best three players in the world?

But yes, I agree that this forum, being a US based forum, is ridiculously obsessed with the talent of SVB. He is not one of a kind, globally considered. Far from it. He is a talented pool player, who dominates his own circles (US that is).
 
Rasputin said:
Thaiger and voiceofreason, speaking in terms you'll understand, Zlatan has never won the Champions League. Is he not world class, is he not one of the best three players in the world?

But yes, I agree that this forum, being a US based forum, is ridiculously obsessed with the talent of SVB. He is not one of a kind, globally considered. Far from it. He is a talented pool player, who dominates his own circles (US that is).
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Mine and Thaiger's definition of what a world class player is differ, however, what we both agree with is, you have no players (apart from SVB) that can be classed (crrent form) as world class..
 
Rasputin said:
Thaiger and voiceofreason, speaking in terms you'll understand, Zlatan has never won the Champions League. Is he not world class, is he not one of the best three players in the world?
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No he is not! I've never rated the showboating mincing pony. Cannot see what all the fuss is about. Anyone who flops at Barca, arguably the greatest club side in history, has some serious questions to answer.

Football was in my mind, however. I'm sick of hearing about alleged world class players who play well for the year their contract is up, then go back to strolling around the pitch until they get shunted off to some other mug club, on an equally absurd salary. Rinse and repeat.

World class is the top two or three players in their position, and stay there throughout their career. They are consistently brilliant irrespective of which club or country they represent. World class footballers do not need to win things to prove they are world class, as it is a team game, but it certainly helps. The greatest evers win things in shit teams - that is a rare gift.
 
TheThaiger said:
World class is the top two or three players in their position, and stay there throughout their career. They are consistently brilliant irrespective of which club or country they represent.
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This is Zlatan. Come on, he plays for Sweden, and has singlehandedly carried them for the past years. Not to mention he has won the title in every of the 7 teams he has represented in his professional career.

But let us take this debate on an other forum and after he has beheaded your dear British Chelsea...

Sorry for the Off Topic.
 
Rasputin said:
This is Zlatan. Come on, he plays for Sweden, and has singlehandedly carried them for the past years. Not to mention he has won the title in every of the 7 teams he has represented in his professional career.

But let us take this debate on an other forum and after he has beheaded your dear British Chelsea...

Sorry for the Off Topic.
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Chelsea? Chelsea? May Chelsea and Jose Mourinho be wiped from the footballing map forever. Mind you, PSG are just as bad.

(no jealousy here, honest).
 
TheThaiger said:
Chelsea? Chelsea? May Chelsea and Jose Mourinho be wiped from the footballing map forever. Mind you, PSG are just as bad.

(no jealousy here, honest).
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Ok cheers Thaiger, I like you now.

But yeah let us leave this argument to our continent and continue here on the very important topic of whether SVB is the best human being who ever lived. Or whether it is some other cueist.
 
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