J.B. Cases does he help or hurt the sell of CTE dvd's?

[stan shuffett]

I think it would be great if Stan could set up a live stream answering CTE PRO ONE questions. Many are confused like myself. Not as easy when you dont have a table at home. Streams can be free and he can use a webcam. Maybe something like yahoo or something. Not a techie but I am sure it would be easy to do. He can feel free to ignore any question from naysayers.

I have 2 DVDS out and 40 some YouTube videos. I still answer all emails and still take phone calls for those that have questions.

If CTE is confusing at first, that's normal because the instructions for real CTE take the student into a completely new way or dimension in aiming. All the questions and concerns have been answered and once you grasp it, you will look back at it and realize that it's all there.

You must let go of how you want aiming to be or how you used to do it. Keep in mind that you are evolving into a professional approach to playing, visually and physically and it does take some time.
Once you grasp it you will NOT be that far off from what EFREN is doing.
The learning curve is VERY WORTHWHILE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[duckie]

I have 2 DVDS out and 40 some YouTube videos. I still answer all emails and still take phone calls for those that have questions.

If CTE is confusing at first, that's normal because the instructions for real CTE take the student into a completely new way or dimension in aiming. All the questions and concerns have been answered and once you grasp it, you will look back at it and realize that it's all there.

You must let go of how you want aiming to be or how you used to do it. Keep in mind that you are evolving into a professional approach to playing, visually and physically and it does take some time.
Once you grasp it you will NOT be that far off from what EFREN is doing.
The learning curve is VERY WORTHWHILE.

Stan Shuffett

What a crock......now using CTE you are gonna be playing like Efren......

Can you back up that statement.....nope. JB sure wasn't playing anywhere near Efren now was he......

 

[stan shuffett]

What a crock......now using CTE you are gonna be playing like Efren......

Can you back up that statement.....nope. JB sure wasn't playing anywhere near Efren now was he......

Twist and Spin.... Shout it out all you want Mr. Duck.

I NEVER said anyone would play like Efren.

What I conveyed is what I have consistently said for years .

CTE PRO ONE has a player setting up from offsets. SO DOES EFREN. Efren sweeps into his shots. Easily observable and could be analyzed on film, the left and right sweeps.

There is recorded evidence that Efren uses CB edges for aiming at OB Aimpoints. SWEEPS must follow this type of visual offsetting.

Yes, and as much as many really hate it, it's true that real CTE yields what Efren is doing visually and physically. Hal Houle worked with Efren. You know what? Efren had an open mind and quickly saw the connection with table geometry and then you can be assured he worked with what Hal showed him.

Efren did NOT tell Hal what he shared was a crock.....but then I can understand why you would because you are a polar opposite of what real pool is all about.

Stan Shuffett

 

[nobcitypool]

What a crock......now using CTE you are gonna be playing like Efren......

Can you back up that statement.....nope. JB sure wasn't playing anywhere near Efren now was he......

Would you like to play JB for $10,000? Now to be clear, if this game were to occur, you can't bring your little arrow thingies to the table to shoot with. You'll have to just picture that ghost ball in your head.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Duckie - I tell you what.

Are you familiar with Joe Tucker's aiming workout?

I will shoot that entire program with CTE - you shoot it with GB and we can compare results. You come on here bashing what you don't understand - so you up for the challenge or you going to duck me?

We don't need to gamble - just post a video (start to finish) running through the workout.

Ready when you are.

What a crock......now using CTE you are gonna be playing like Efren......

Can you back up that statement.....nope. JB sure wasn't playing anywhere near Efren now was he......

 

[nobcitypool]

Duckie - I tell you what.

Are you familiar with Joe Tucker's aiming workout?

I will shoot that entire program with CTE - you shoot it with GB and we can compare results. You come on here bashing what you don't understand - so you up for the challenge or you going to duck me?

We don't need to gamble - just post a video (start to finish) running through the workout.

Ready when you are.

Does Duckie get to use his Cranfield arrow? :grin-square:

 

[JB Cases]

i agree
for someone who is prompting it as the only way to make a shot consistently
he definitely didnt demonstrate that
this comment has no inference to the merits of cte
p.s.
fwiw
i finf some of the aimong threads sort of like religion or negotiations between the arabs and jews
people have been using ghost ball for years
mosconi ran over 500 balls using it.....
so dont say its worthless....jmho ...icbw
for those who use cte
if it works for you
GREAT
cant it be possible that there is more than one way to pocket a ball??

I have never said CTE is the only way to aim consistently. People putting words in my mouth and just plain making up bullshit and saying we said it is half the problem.

When I get around to it I will make an analysis of the match and show you some great shots that were made because of CTE aiming. And I will show you a lot of easy shots mussed because of poor mechanics.

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[prewarhero]

Meanwhile, and more pertinent to the OP, Barton never stops shilling CTE and plays like a drain.

If I were you, I'd ditch him. Fast.

Will you go away. This is what I picture you as:

 

[JB Cases]

Would you like to play JB for $10,000? Now to be clear, if this game were to occur, you can't bring your little arrow thingies to the table to shoot with. You'll have to just picture that ghost ball in your head.

I would let him use the arrow. It would be hilarious seeing him fiddling with it every shot.

 

[JB Cases]

What a crock......now using CTE you are gonna be playing like Efren......

Can you back up that statement.....nope. JB sure wasn't playing anywhere near Efren now was he......

I know I play a lot closer to Efren's speed than you ever will.

 

[JB Cases]

Here is the thing....everywhere I go people ask me about CTE.

E V E R Y W H E R E.

You would probably be surprised at the amount of people who have seen my videos on the subject.

I show them what I know and send them in Stan's direction. As far as I can tell my demonstrations are successful enough to convince those who ask of the merit in CTE and enough for them to pursue learning it.

But if anyone here will disregard CTE because of my match then it is their loss. I would bet pretty high though that very few people who might have been on the fence decided not to pursue CTE because of my match. Because if do then those are not people who are serious about their game or they would have been inspired by Gerry, Mohrt, Duke, Stevie, Phil, Landon and Stan to learn CTE.

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[SakuJack]

When I get around to it I will make an analysis of the match and show you some great shots that were made because of CTE aiming. And I will show you a lot of easy shots mussed because of poor mechanics.

How do you know which shots were made because of CTE and which shots were missed because of poor mechanics?

Your mechanics are atrocious, don't get me wrong, but how do you know you were lined up correctly on those shots in the first place? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just curious to hear your response.

 

[JB Cases]

All the shots were lined up using CTE. Any that were made were made because I managed to stroke straight through the ball. Any that were missed were because I dogged the stroke.



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[SakuJack]

All the shots were lined up using CTE. Any that were made were made because I managed to stroke straight through the ball. Any that were missed were because I dogged the stroke.



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But how do you know that?

 

[Gerry Williams]

Do you not know when you put a good stroke on the ball? I can tell and I suspect John can as well.

But how do you know that?

 

[(((Satori)))]

Do you not know when you put a good stroke on the ball? I can tell and I suspect John can as well.

With statements like that you are going to make it hard to convince people they missed because of their stroke when they know they have put a good stroke on the ball.

 

[SakuJack]

Do you not know when you put a good stroke on the ball? I can tell and I suspect John can as well.

Sure I can tell when I blatantly cue across a ball or hit it otherwise badly. A lot of the time at least. My point is that why are the well executed shots down to CTE and the poorly executed shots down to crappy mechanics? Does a straight, repeatable, well-timed stroke get no credit for the supposedly great shots Barton made in this match? And does CTE get none of the blame for his failings?

I just find his attitude odd. Aiming systems are silly to me, but if they work for others then good for them. What I dislike is the preaching attitudes like Barton's that seem to exude from some of their users and purveyors. He professes to loathe the term "snake-oil salesman" (although it is him by far who uses those words most often on here) but that is exactly what he sounds like when talking about whatever system/case/magical chalk he is enamoured with at the moment.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Use whatever makes you a better player man - nothing else.

Sure I can tell when I blatantly cue across a ball or hit it otherwise badly. A lot of the time at least. My point is that why are the well executed shots down to CTE and the poorly executed shots down to crappy mechanics? Does a straight, repeatable, well-timed stroke get no credit for the supposedly great shots Barton made in this match? And does CTE get none of the blame for his failings?

I just find his attitude odd. Aiming systems are silly to me, but if they work for others then good for them. What I dislike is the preaching attitudes like Barton's that seem to exude from some of their users and purveyors. He professes to loathe the term "snake-oil salesman" (although it is him by far who uses those words most often on here) but that is exactly what he sounds like when talking about whatever system/case/magical chalk he is enamoured with at the moment.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Sure I can tell when I blatantly cue across a ball or hit it otherwise badly. A lot of the time at least. My point is that why are the well executed shots down to CTE and the poorly executed shots down to crappy mechanics? Does a straight, repeatable, well-timed stroke get no credit for the supposedly great shots Barton made in this match? And does CTE get none of the blame for his failings?

I just find his attitude odd. Aiming systems are silly to me, but if they work for others then good for them. What I dislike is the preaching attitudes like Barton's that seem to exude from some of their users and purveyors. He professes to loathe the term "snake-oil salesman" (although it is him by far who uses those words most often on here) but that is exactly what he sounds like when talking about whatever system/case/magical chalk he is enamoured with at the moment.

There are two major ways to miss with CTE

1. Wrong visuals and/or wrong pivot/visual sweep.
2. Faulty stroke.

So the player deserves 100% of the credit on any shot they make or miss. If I make a ball using CTE, THEN I CHOSE the correct visuals and sweep, and stroked the ball well. If I miss a ball using CTE, THEN I CHOSE the wrong visuals and/or sweep or didn't stroke the ball well.

 

[JB Cases]

Sure I can tell when I blatantly cue across a ball or hit it otherwise badly. A lot of the time at least. My point is that why are the well executed shots down to CTE and the poorly executed shots down to crappy mechanics? Does a straight, repeatable, well-timed stroke get no credit for the supposedly great shots Barton made in this match? And does CTE get none of the blame for his failings?

I just find his attitude odd. Aiming systems are silly to me, but if they work for others then good for them. What I dislike is the preaching attitudes like Barton's that seem to exude from some of their users and purveyors. He professes to loathe the term "snake-oil salesman" (although it is him by far who uses those words most often on here) but that is exactly what he sounds like when talking about whatever system/case/magical chalk he is enamoured with at the moment.

If you want to give CTE the blame then you HAVE to concede that PEOPLE can aim wrong using any method.

I am fine with that.

I will concede that even though I used CTE/ProOne to aim every shot that went to a pocket and every bank shot I could have certainly APPLIED it incorrectly at times. I could have picked the wrong aim points for a shot and missed it with a perfect stroke. Conversely I could have made the shot with a screwed up stroke.

Guess what?

That's pool.

When you step to the table you bring everything that you know to the shot and you stroke as best you can under the pressure and what happens is what happens. Sometimes you make the shot, sometimes you miss it and there are many variables between first looking at the shot and pulling the trigger.

The thing is that I said many times before the match and after the match that I am not the poster boy for CTE/ProOne.

He is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HYQjoHjwL4&list=PLSKV5CK_fziXC5F0oQJJ-yV7pAtT334y9

THIS is what CTE/ProOne looks like with perfect fundamentals.

If you get on the perfect shot line then it's incredibly EASY to miss the shot because any deviation sends the cue ball off the right shot line. That's why CTE is POWERFUL for people who do have a good stroke. And it's why CTE prompts players to work on their stroke to get the most out of it.

The whole thing boils down to being as confident in your shot line as you can when you are down and CTE/ProOne does that for me. So even with a lousy stroke I at least am pretty sure that I am on the right shot line for any shot I am about to take. How do I know that? Through practice with it. If I get stupid and don't keep the cue straight then that has nothing to do with the way I aimed it.

Since you seem to not fully understand this here is a video I made explaining it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKCDjPgtCwE

What I really can't understand though is why you want to pick on me and use me as an example of CTE not working when you have so many examples from better players who show you great shotmaking using CTE aiming. Both demonstrations and in match play.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSKV5CK_fziXC5F0oQJJ-yV7pAtT334y9