Visuals question for CTE

[(((Satori)))]

It is said that you do not stand behind the center to edge line nor the edge to a,b,c line when visualizing the lines from c/e and e/abc.

So here is my question. Where do I stand? If I were to draw a straight line from my center of vision straight through the base of the cueball and beyond where would it line up in relation to the ob?

I can visualize a line from center to edge from anywhere and the same goes for edge to a, b, c if I do not need to be behind the lines directly.

 

[Gerry Williams]

So you can visualize both lines at the same time from multiple head positions?

It is said that you do not stand behind the center to edge line nor the edge to a,b,c line when visualizing the lines from c/e and e/abc.

So here is my question. Where do I stand? If I were to draw a straight line from my center of vision straight through the base of the cueball and beyond where would it line up in relation to the ob?

I can visualize a line from center to edge from anywhere and the same goes for edge to a, b, c if I do not need to be behind the lines directly.

 

[(((Satori)))]

So you can visualize both lines at the same time from multiple head positions?

Yes. If I don't have to be in line with them.

 

[nobcitypool]

Remember, ignore the Troll.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Well you have special eyesight - I would recommend a different system.

Yes. If I don't have to be in line with them.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Well you have special eyesight - I would recommend a different system.

There is nothing special about my eyesight.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Suppose I am lined up behind the shot seeing my visuals.

In my mind if I shade the area between the visuals a different color then where should my head be in relation to the colored area? What should I be in line with. .. The center of the shaded area or the two visual lines if you prefer to see them that way?

 

[nobcitypool]

This has all been covered and the answers are in Stan's DVD's. You troll this forum constantly trying to ask ambiguous questions and start trouble. Are you such a pathetic loser that you have nothing better to do?

 

[BeiberLvr]

Satori

Do you always wait a few months to ask a question for which you already received an answer?

From this THREAD

Is there an objective place to stand or an objective offset angle you need to be at in order to see the visuals correctly? I can stand in a lot of different places and visualize a line going from cte or eta,b,c,or1-7/8.

There is only one place that provides the visuals - as you move the visuals have to change as the balls are stationary. I think Stans video helps to demonstrate this.

I have seen the video and I got the impression that the player was to line up in line with the visuals which would put you in an offset position relating to the line of the shot. An understanding of where to stand in order to see the visuals from a position that is not directly in line with the visuals, but instead at an offset, is what I am looking to learn.

How do I know that I have the correct visuals if I am not directly in line with them to see them line up?

Of course I have. As I said, when watching the DVD he gives me the impression that I need to be in line with the visuals which will put me in the ideal position that is offset to the shot line.

How do you know you are in the correct offset position if you can't line the visuals up? It seems to me you are simply visualizing the line from cte for example at an angle. Which angle though? There are just as many angles from which to visualize a line from cte as there are "ticks on the ball," or possible contact points if you will. What good is having objective visuals if you view them from a subjective place? If the place from which to view the visuals is not subjective then please explain how to locate this objective place. Again, what do you see?

Yes I can visualize a cte line from many offset positions? There is only one place I can get in line with the cte line though (distance variances excluded). Are you in line with the cte? If not then where is that one place?

Again, I can percieve both lines at the same time from many offset positions if they don't have to line up.

Line up with what?

What you are saying makes no sense - how can you change your eye position behind the cue ball and still maintain 2 objective visuals...think about it.

In spite of what you think, my purpose is to understand cte because my curiosity drives me. In order to understand it I will need to ask the tough questions.

If that is all you've got for me then we can just quit discussing it here. I've tried it on the table and determined that a system that requires the visuals to be in line with my eyes is a system that leaves gaps and a system that requires you to see the visuals from a position not in line with my eyes is a system where I am open to stand at whatever offset position I want and draw imaginary lines from any objective point to any objective point. This method will work but it is not objective. It is just a matter of figuring out where to stand that puts you one half tip pivot away from the shot line. It is much easier in my eyes just to figure out where to stand that puts you on the shot line.

And the gem from this THREAD where you very clearly imply that CTE is a scam.

t would not be a good thing because the system is being marketed as a precise objective point aiming system, with 0 gaps, & no conscious or subconscious adjustments needed to make it wnork. And there are a lot of people in the aiming forum who have not been able to get the system to work. They have been told that their stroke must have been bad to explain why they missed or that they simply are not understanding the system, this would turn out to be untrue if in fact CTE produced results due to a psychological element.

If CTE is simply a change in method that leads to a benefit for some due to psychological reasons then the whole marketing campain would turn out to have been false. The marketing would turn out to have been the equivalent of marketing a sugar pill as the cure for an ailment. It could even be considered a scam depending on if the system knowingly did not work as advertised.

Gerry, I applaud your efforts to help someone once again despite their obvious trolling efforts, but I suggest you refrain from this one.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Is there an answer to my question? Surely someone on here knows and can respond with a straight answer instead of something vague or an attempt to turn this thread into another fight.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Suppose I am lined up behind the shot seeing my visuals.

In my mind if I shade the area between the visuals a different color then where should my head be in relation to the colored area? What should I be in line with. .. The center of the shaded area or the two visual lines if you prefer to see them that way?

If I shaded the area between the two visual lines, lined up my visuals between the cueball and object ball, then used my center of vision to draw a line straight in front of me through the cueball and beyond where would the straight line lead in relation to the shaded area? Right down the center? Off to one side or the other?

 

[BeiberLvr]

(((Satori))) , if you're asking questions that are relevant to the conversation...that is one thing.
If I get any feeling at all that you're just heckling the instructors....I will ban you.


Any questions?

Message received!

I hear you and I am done arguing in the aiming section. I wouldn't exactly say I argued to my heart's content though.

No you are wrong. I was not trolling. You can trace my posts back to the beginning and you will find that my initial thoughts about CTE left me with two major concerns, both being what I mentioned in this thread. But I wanted to get more Information about the system before I made my final opinion. My questions to Stan were legit and an opinion that I feel has been formed based on an adequate investigation is complete. There is no need for me to go there anymore. My curiosity is satisfied.

And yet, here you are.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Yes, here I am, asking a question not argueing.

You on the other hand are still heckling.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Yes, here I am, asking a question not argueing.

You on the other hand are still heckling.

Unable to quote posts from this closed thread.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=352245&page=3


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You are simply here to troll and have no real desire to learn anything.

Also, I've decided to take the advice of Mr. Wilson from other threads and use the report function. Maybe the mods will take action and ban you. Maybe they won't, but I just wanted you to know it was me

 

[mohrt]

I'll try, even though I'm pretty sure this is a CTE FAQ by now

So here is my question. Where do I stand?

There is only one head position where your visual of both lines is the strongest. Move your head a millimeter either way and you lose it. I find it beneficial to first find the CTEL, then move the eyes until the A/B/C line comes into view while still having a strong CTEL visual. That gives you the "outer most edge".

If I were to draw a straight line from my center of vision straight through the base of the cueball and beyond where would it line up in relation to the ob?

This will depend on the given perception. If you look at Stans video demonstration of the 5 balls that use the same CB/OB visual to make all 5 shots, the center-line you are referring to will be thinner and thinner to the OB as you move across the table. This isn't something you have to adjust for, because how the CB/OB are oriented on the 2x1 surface of the table determine this perception. You *could* force yourself to use the same physical perception for each shot, but it won't look right and it also won't work. See here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Psy5hOJT0

 

[Se7en6ix]

Dominant Eye Position

It is said that you do not stand behind the center to edge line nor the edge to a,b,c line when visualizing the lines from c/e and e/abc.

So here is my question. Where do I stand? If I were to draw a straight line from my center of vision straight through the base of the cueball and beyond where would it line up in relation to the ob?

I can visualize a line from center to edge from anywhere and the same goes for edge to a, b, c if I do not need to be behind the lines directly.

Where do you stand?
.... At the Floor! :wink:

You should buy Stan's DVD in order for you to know the answer.

There is no way, that distinct aim-lines could produce various initial head/eye position (well it could have tolerance of a few millimeters).

Actually, based on my experience. Where you Stand/initial Head Position is defined explicitly by the two aim-lines of Pro1.

Which means if you extend backwards the CTE Line & Aim Line of the cue ball, there will always be an inter-section of the two, which therefore by logic is possibly your exact initial Head position or it could even be within that zone.

 

[mista335]

Yes. If I don't have to be in line with them.

Funny, I can't see both visuals from multiple positions either. There's only one place I can stand and have my head positioned where I can see both visuals. Centre to edge and inside edge to (say) 'C'.

As soon as I move my eye even a fraction one of the visuals is off.

If I shuffle my body over just a fraction I can see one visual but no head position will give me the other.

When you look in the mirror do your eyes look like this?

 

[(((Satori)))]

Where do you stand?
.... At the Floor! :wink:

You should buy Stan's DVD in order for you to know the answer.

There is no way, that distinct aim-lines could produce various initial head/eye position (well it could have tolerance of a few millimeters).

Actually, based on my experience. Where you Stand/initial Head Position is defined explicitly by the two aim-lines of Pro1.

Which means if you extend backwards the CTE Line & Aim Line of the cue ball, there will always be an inter-section of the two, which therefore by logic is possibly your exact initial Head position or it could even be within that zone.

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In your diagram the dominant eye is directly behind the lines right? Stan says that is not how to line the visuals up.

 

[Se7en6ix]

In your diagram the dominant eye is directly behind the lines right? Stan says that is not how to line the visuals up.

No it is not behind either line. it may look like it but in reality its not.

In order to define "directly behind the line" your eye focuses entirely on that line..
how can you be directly behind two lines at the same time?.. that's impossible in CTE.

You see your eye focus must be balanced (CTE Line and Aim line)

"by logic is possibly" that's what I said.

Notice the wiggly red line, that;s part of the zone not just the red dot

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[Se7en6ix]

(((Satori)))
Additionaly...

Being directly behind the line, means that your dominant eye and your body is aligned to the said line in near perfect position or near perfect position based on your perception.

meaning.. it can't be done with multiple lines.

Not Behind (focused) Either Line




Directly Behind a line

Lefty



Righty



Exact