Im in with just the 8 and it doesnt have to be wild.
This is about Shane
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Im in with just the 8 and it doesnt have to be wild.
anybody have stats on how many times shame eliminated biado in a tournament? arps already posted how many times biado sent him home.
This is one other sports are bigger.....fans have stats to argue about...something CJ said to me last week.
What would stats on the head to head tournament matches prove? At Large already proved that Shane is the better tournament player on paper based on results. Out of 22 events that Shane and Carlo played in Carlo won NONE of them and Shane won 6 of them. Shane finished higher than Carlo 12 times. Is Carlo a better money player? Well Shane and his backers have an open invitation I think for anyone who wants to test him and see. Carlo's backers can bet real high if they can take Shane down on a tight Diamond in a race to 100. It's been done, occasionally.
This all reminds me of the famous Don Willis story. Don was a gambler who preferred heads-up matches and not the limelight...so at an event a promoter insisted that he fill out his bio with some accomplishments. Don said "let me see the other guy's bios". Looking them over he picked out the one with the most tournament wins and wrote across the top, "I beat him".
TheThaiger
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Add jimmy white to the ever growing list of billiards related topics you know absolutely nothing about.
OK. But at least I can say I know him. Can you?
Good work Atlarge
Stats show that Shane is better tourney player in USA while Biado is better tourney player outside USA. Overall Shane performed better in these 22 events
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+1 Good post
So if it is one to one match or money game match you would look at head to head as a reference. If you want to have idea of whether Shane or Biado has better chance of winning tourney then look at Atlarge stats.
In sports there are players who perform better than the field but regularly lose to certain people eg. Ivan Lendl no. 1 but regularly lose to McEnroe. Another example- Parica and Efren?
+1 Good post
Yes it would be good to know the Head to Head record between Shane and Biado
2 separate stats- the stats by Atlarge should performance against the field compared to Biado. Head to head stats would show who the "better player" just between 2 of them
So if it is one to one match or money game match you would look at head to head as a reference. If you want to have idea of whether Shane or Biado has better chance of winning tourney then look at Atlarge stats.
In sports there are players who perform better than the field but regularly lose to certain people eg. Ivan Lendl no. 1 but regularly lose to McEnroe. Another example- Parica and Efren?
The only true test of a money player is when he is putting up his own cash ,, like I assume u did in your match anything else is irrelevant ,, like Lee Trevino said ,, pressure is playing for a 5 dollar Nassau when you can't cover I'll play anybody in the world on someone else's dime
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Good work Atlarge
Stats show that Shane is better tourney player in USA while Biado is better tourney player outside USA. Overall Shane performed better in these 22 events
it's actually smart that the different DCC events or the different US Bar Box events were treated as different tournaments. that way shane would obviously get higher scores against biado.
compared to last year, shane really improved his game this year. i hope he gets stronger as the year ends. there's still US Open, All Japan and MC.
also, i hope we could get those small bar boxes here in the Philippines so that our players could improve playing on it; and those 10-foot tables too. honestly, i havent seen a bar box or a 10-footer anywhere here, in my years of playing. it's always 9-footers.
Shane bets his own plenty. When he is playing he gets as much of his own money in as he can.
Do you HONESTLY think Shane ducks anyone if the stipulation is bet your own?
For that matter - players who lose when being backed don't get backed for long. So that's a pressure of it's own.
The true test of GREATNESS is how many people line up to back you. And in your case Mark while you would be willing to throw away other people's money no one is willing to throw their money away betting on you.
Shane on the other hand would have a line of people a hundred deep willing to step up and back him in a race to 100 against EVERY human being on Earth. Every living pool player can get played and THAT is what defines greatness. Shane belongs to an ELITE group of players who enjoy that privilege. And he might be the number one among that group.
8-10 means he'll give the 8 as a winning ball - you pocket it, you get the rack. but i doubt Jericho would do that, or even ask Shane for that kind of challenge. He knows who Shane is and he is expected to be respectful to any player of Shane's caliber. challenging someone of your level (or probably higher) and then offering handicaps is sort of an insult, and Jericho is not the kind of person who does that.
Old Nine Baller
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Shane is not a "great ambassador for pool" as you say and he is definitely not "a gentleman" as you say. Anyone who needs evidence to confirm can simply order and watch the 2012 DCC Bankpool Finals with Shane versus John Morra.
Do let everyone know what you have found.
ONB
So, when's the world pool gambling championships, sponsored by the WPA, featuring races to 100, winner break? Shane's sure to win that, according to the people who are pulling for him more than I am. .
And where's the pool gambling hall of fame?
The WPA doesn't "sponsor" anything. But the World Gambling Championships are archived on TAR and Shane is the heavyweight champ so far.
In our collective knowledge.
I don't get the race to 100 thing. Usain Bolt is the fastest man on earth, but tons of people can beat him in the 1000 meters.
Wouldn't these long races be better broken into races of 11 best out of 7 and maybe have to win by 2, or something along those lines? It could be over somewhat quickly, or go for a long time like tennis. Seems that would prove more than turning things into which guy can focus for endless hours at a time. Break things up a little more.
well then, Shane's 527 ball run in 10-ball gambling against the ghost is the greatest achievement of our time, or any time in pool history, forever. Also is that magical break where he made 9 balls and got left straight in on a 10-ball hanging in the jaws to win the world gambling championship after beating every world beater who's ever won a single game against him in any tournament, after 10 years of straight grueling gambling races to 100 against every single one of them, to solidify his place in history. Who needs tournaments when you can gamble? BTW, I need a list of every single player who has ever made more money gambling than Shane, Earl, Efren, Daz, or Thorsten has cumulatively made in tournament winnings, lifetime.
WRONG yet again. True greatness is determined by measurable results when it counts. For pool players like other sports, actual championships help determine that. What Shane does gambling has zero relevance as people decades later won't remember he won against someone in a ridiculous race to 100, they will remember xyz won this title, that title. etc...
Whether people like it or not, the facts of him not getting the job done on an international stage against the worlds best says something. Until he does that when it counts, it is bogus to claim he is the best in the world.
Shane doesn't need to win donkeysquat to solidify his spot with the elites, he's already a legend. It's an amazing accomplishment to win the World 9 Ball but does it mean you're the best player on Earth? It means you were the best player for that week, or however long that tournament is. Do you honestly believe if they had another World 9 Ball championship the day AFTER Niels won, that he won come in 1st place again? No. Just because it's sanctioned by WPA doesn't mean anything. Albin Ouschan is a great player but what has he ever won before coming second last week? But now all of a sudden he's better than Shane, Carlo, Lee Van, Orcullo, etc. just because he came 2nd in a WPA event? But if we had the same exact players in a tournament in the US and it wasn't sanctioned by WPA and Shane won, everyone would call bullshit. Rant over.
Shane is elite in the US for sure & is a top player outside the world. I am just saying to claim he is the best is bs when he has not proven to be when it matters. Championships matter as not everything is about who wins the most gambling.
Albin is not a bad player but anyone claiming those things about him are clueless & not worth responding to.