Got 3 hours??? An Idea.....

Tor has some great stuff for sure but I'm still a bit skeptical about this particular stroke drill.

It just seems like it would be way too easy to reinforce a bad stroke doing this drill since you aren't getting any feedback from the cue ball. I think the old boring cue ball straight up and back down drill would be much better since you are way more likely to see if you are actually hitting the cue ball off center or not.

How would you like to do this drill 2,000 times only to discover later that you were actually hitting the cue ball slightly off center and you just finished reinforcing this off center hit? That would suck.

It seems like what this particular drill is focused on is making you "look" like you are stroking the ball well -- which isn't totally a bad thing but wouldn't you rather work on looking good at the table AND ensuring you are stroking the ball properly at the same time? This would sort of be like hitting a golf ball a few thousand times without knowing where it was actually going.

See my post above. The reasons you mentioned are exactly why I do it the I described.
 
Well I really enjoyed watching it very smooth and easy to listen too. I havent got to play yet this week but I will give it a go Sunday for a little while and see how much I have retained.
 
Question about this stroke drill...

He says your tip should end on the table even when shooting with high follow. Is that right? My backhand hits my chest well before the tip gets to the cloth and when I really looked at it, my tip says very parallel to the table on most shots.

I don't say he's wrong, but is he absolutely right? What would I need to do to achieve this (to me) strange motion?

The whole idea is to ROLL the QB and to not let it slide. Its a rolling motion stroke.

John
 
I went out on Monday and hit some balls... Loosened up my bridge and made sure to finish the stroke... Geeeeeee soo thats where all my power went..... I still need to make sure my bridges remain stable but stable and tight are 2 different things.... I did the stroke drill for maybe 50 balls just to make sure I was drawing a straight line on the table... I wasn't for the first few but got it lined up in no time..... I likes it :thumbup:
 
I think you could watch this video 20 times and find at least one thing each time of value. There were three things I found of most value. One was not to forget how valuable the punch stroke can be, especially when playing on bar boxes. Second was 9 ball position play and focusing on getting on the right side of the line versus a spot. The entire section on safety play was very good imho.
 
OK Back to building your stance around the shot line...... When we are playing constantly I think our stance will evolve and we don't really pay attention... When the wheels come off and we actually try to consciously get where we were subconsciously we sometimes end up taking another wheel off....

I posted about putting my right foot on the shot line and then moving my left (front) foot forward parallel to the shot line until I was down on the shot....

2 days of misery later I can now tell you that while that will get me down on the shot it will not get my vision center over the shot line.....

I have spent some time on this the last 2 days and I finally figured out my vision center has changed since I had worked out my stance and PSR several years ago... Getting down the old way one eye said good and the other eye wanted to help out and tell me it was no good... Once I figured out my vision center had changed I found the proper head position and reworked my PSR so I am getting on the line properly again....

I guess my whole point here is that there will be no set way for you to build around the shot line without having worked thru DR Dave's Vision Center articles or working with Geno to find your best position to create and maintain a strong dominant position...

I had been playing left eye dominant when I quit playing all the time but this time I get dbl vision using the left as dominant because the right eye just won't be ignored.... Never had problems with that before but now I do... Now using the right eye as dominant I am dbl visioned unless I actually turn my head to the left to move the left eye backward on what I will call the square facial plane... The left eye will go soft and agree with the right in this position and I can see centerball accurately from here as well....

IF you have not considered finding your vision center because it has been unneeded up to now I would suggest you have a look... You may need to know how to do it sooner than you think....

I'd say just the shot line idea and taking it to the table has been worth the time spent watching so far....

Chris
 
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Question about this stroke drill...

He says your tip should end on the table even when shooting with high follow. Is that right? My backhand hits my chest well before the tip gets to the cloth and when I really looked at it, my tip says very parallel to the table on most shots.

I don't say he's wrong, but is he absolutely right? What would I need to do to achieve this (to me) strange motion?

In the video Tor is demonstrating what he calls "the compact stroke" or Pendulum Stroke and that is why the tip of the cue heads toward the cloth at the stroke finish and the butt of the cue comes up.

I use a piston type stroke which allows for my cue to be level (as close to level as possible) from the start of the stroke to the finish of the stroke.

John :)
 
OK Back to building your stance around the shot line...... When we are playing constantly I think our stance will evolve and we don't really pay attention... When the wheels come off and we actually try to consciously get where we were subconsciously we sometimes end up taking another wheel off....

I posted about putting my right foot on the shot line and then moving my right foot forward parallel to the shot line until I was down on the shot....

2 days of misery later I can now tell you that while that will get me down on the shot it will not get my vision center over the shot line.....

I have spent some time on this the last 2 days and I finally figured out my vision center has changed since I had worked out my stance and PSR several years ago... Getting down the old way one eye said good and the other eye wanted to help out and tell me it was no good... Once I figured out my vision center had changed I found the proper head position and reworked my PSR so I am getting on the line properly again....

I guess my whole point here is that there will be no set way for you to build around the shot line without having worked thru DR Dave's Vision Center articles or working with Geno to find your best position to create and maintain a strong dominant position...

I had been playing left eye dominant when I quit playing all the time but this time I get dbl vision using the left as dominant because the right eye just won't be ignored.... Never had problems with that before but now I do... Now using the right eye as dominant I am dbl visioned unless I actually turn my head to the left to move the left eye backward on what I will call the square facial plane... The left eye will go soft and agree with the right in this position and I can see centerball accurately from here as well....

IF you have not considered finding your vision center because it has been unneeded up to now I would suggest you have a look... You may need to know how to do it sooner than you think....

I'd say just the shot line idea and taking it to the table has been worth the time spent watching so far....

Chris

Its interesting Chris that you would bring up vision center.
I have done a lot of research on the eyes and how they work. What I have found out is that each eye recieves a different picture this is due to the seperation between our eyes. The only time each eye will see the same picture is when an object is viewed at 30 feet or more,

My right eye is my strongest eye. What I have had to do is to line up on the shot line using my left eye (right handed player) and build my stance from there. I also use what Jerry B. calls "Chin Lock".

I would say that finding your vision center is probably the most single challenge for players just starting out (or maybe players that are not hitting the OB where they want to) because how can you build on information that is not as correct as it could be.

You can test this by lining up a straight in shot as you normally would. Now, close your right eye, are the balls still in line? Now, open the right eye and close the left eye, are the balls still in line?

If not then from the standing position you will have to either move your body to the right or to the left until it makes no difference which eye is is closed the balls will appear to be straight in line. Now you can start building your stance because your vision is centered. This is different for each player. Its called retinal disparity.

Nice write up Chris. I'm 67 and my eyes are not what they use to be. :)

John
 
Count me in. Tor may not have lots of new ideas, but he does have a different way of explaining them & his presentation is great.
 
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Question about this stroke drill...

He says your tip should end on the table even when shooting with high follow. Is that right? My backhand hits my chest well before the tip gets to the cloth and when I really looked at it, my tip says very parallel to the table on most shots.

I don't say he's wrong, but is he absolutely right? What would I need to do to achieve this (to me) strange motion?

He is not wrong, but he is not absolutely right. Stand higher in your stance if you'd like to be able to hit your finish. I'd bet an inch or two would do it. Then you'll have to see how you feel about your new shot picture, slightly adjusted as it may be.
 
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