Along with many others, I'm sure, I could fill several pages with APA horror stories. But, to keep it short I'll just say, been there, done that, learned my lesson, won't do it again! There are so many other options for playing pool and having fun.
I've been booted from apa :)
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i have plenty also from apa.......and bcapl......and napa.......and several money leagues.:grin-square:
the point is ...you will always find crap you don't agree with when ever you interact with people in general no matter whether its a night out in local league to the national level all the way up to a pro tournament.
its just a fact of life.:grin-square:
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Sorry to be a pedant, but you're not booted from the APA. You're just not on a roster anymore.
You had minors on your team, incurring the risks of bringing them into bars.
Sorry to be a pedant, but you're not booted from the APA. You're just not on a roster anymore.
You had minors on your team, incurring the risks of bringing them into bars.
If you have other options, and are unhappy with the way things are run in your area, getting done sounds like the right thing to do.
I'm glad my LO runs a pretty good operation. Yes, we have to pay for forfeits, which isn't a lot of fun, but we all go and shoot anyway, so we probably get our $10 worth of entertainment value. You can't rent one table for an hour for that, and we shoot as long as we feel like staying....
Hope your family finds a new league to play in. Sounds like you'll be fine regardless.
I'm glad my LO runs a pretty good operation. Yes, we have to pay for forfeits, which isn't a lot of fun, but we all go and shoot anyway, so we probably get our $10 worth of entertainment value. You can't rent one table for an hour for that, and we shoot as long as we feel like staying....
Hope your family finds a new league to play in. Sounds like you'll be fine regardless.
And I would agree and have paid. This seemed like a Grey area. They let a team in that couldn't play and then said f you pay any way lol that turned me the wrong way.
I didn't have minors on my team lpl the other team did
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Agreed...unless you take pleasure beating housewives.
I'm a APA0 ...want nothing to do with their nonsense. Won a master's tournament once. Trip to Vegas wasn't covered more than a couple hundred. What a gimmick. They payout squat.
I would rather play good players for cash and make my own travel arrangements
There the only league around here that makes you pay for forfeits. Like i said ive paid fir them in the past.this felt like they wanted me to pay for a bye week lol I'm in no way apa bashing. It has its place. Also your right. It's VERY SAD there is no where for miners. I believe it's part of what's killing the game
trob i want to commend you for playing in a league that you really dont care about with your son and other minors. its great you took them under your wing and was giving them a chance to play pool.
its unfortunate that the only place these kids were allowed to play closed. no its not your fault but its not the lo's either. it seems to me he was willing to meet you in the middle by cutting what you owed in half. you refused his offer and basically gave him an ultimatum." my way or the high way ". well he gave you the high way .
now since i have that out of the way let me address all you apa bashers responding.
it seems to me ya'll are bashing the entire apa organisation because the lo wanted his weekly fees. ya'lls comments about quitting apa because they are money grubbing b*stards and you should join this league or that league are comical.
name me one league out there where you can refuse to pay your weekly fee and still get to play. c'mon guys ...since the apa is a shitty organisation for wanting weekly fees paid tell me what leagues ya'll play play in that are so much better and let you play even if you refuse to pay your dues?
It seems to me that if a match is canceled because a venue closes down, that a lot different than a forfeit.
But despite that, I think the bigger point here is TROBs, without junior players Pool is going nowhere.
But despite that, I think the bigger point here is TROBs, without junior players Pool is going nowhere.
I can't argue with that. I wish they could play but no one is going to risk there liquor license which in pa sell forn175 to 200 thousand dollars so miners can play pool. Can't say blame them.
And being a FOR PROFIT business, they would have factored in the forfeits, and other unexpected expenses that come up running a huge business with 250K customers. Thus, the players are nothing more than customers. And paying customers deserve some sort of product or service for their fee's. They received neither.
Of course, a smart LO, one who likes money, and happy customers would have covered that cost for his customer to keep him in the league, so he could continue to help pay his salary. Thus, for $60 he probably cost himself several thousand dollars or more in the long run. Just stupid business. No common sense at all.
APA is not the only league that requires payment for forfeited matches. This is a common practice.
Again, weekly dues are meant for the prize pool. It's not payment for a service rendered.
And being a FOR PROFIT business, they would have factored in the forfeits, and other unexpected expenses that come up running a huge business with 250K customers.
How do you "factor in" forfeits? What ratio do you use for that?
And the LO does not have 250K customers.
How do you "factor in" forfeits? What ratio do you use for that?
And the LO does not have 250K customers.
I don't care how they do it, but folks running for profit businesses do it all the time. They understand unexpected stuff is gonna come up, so certainly, APA is gonna know there are gonna be a few forfeits that can't be contolled.
But "for profit" businessed dont' charge their customers when they don't provide them with good or services they purchased. The APA can't have it both ways. Either you are for profit, and you privde the goods and services to expect payment from your customers...or you don't. You can't say, well, we were gonna provide you with a team to play but they failed to show, but we'll charge you instead.... pretty weak.
Yes, it's for services rendered. I'm paying because I want to play pool. when I don't play pool, I'm not playng. If Apa has to eat the costs because of their mistakes or due to other customers, so be it. It can't be on me who showed up, was willing to play and offer my payment??
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Actually, the customers ALWAYS eat the costs of other customers screwing the business. You just don't always see the cost of that weekly. The billions of dollars in stolen merchandise is reflected in marked up prices of the said merchandise is it not? So you would want to have higher weekly dues for the rare occasion where a team drops out mid session or the even rarer occasion where a business closes doors and a team that played out of there had some minors on it and now they can't play anywhere?
Who says they don't do that now ?? And yeah, I'll gladly pay an extra .03 per week on dues to avoid any forfeit fee for the team that actually showed up. Again, then can do what they want, but the LO just shot himself in the foot for a few bucks. Just dumb business move there, and there is not many successful business folks that would not have eaten the costs to keep thier dedicated customers happy, and thus keep more money coming into your own pocket. Just stupid.
I'm not sure it's that simple. If they do that for one, technically they must do it for all. I agree it seems stupid but if it is to be dealt with, the rule needs to be changed and not handled on a case by case basis. Otherwise, what you're saying is all rules are at the discretion of the LO. Imagine the chaos that could create.
Exactly .. I have no problem paying for forfeits. I did this year. The first week of the season a bunch of things happened at once. We weren't able to play. I work in a business thats crazy that time of the year and completely forgot about making it up. I paid without a problem. This though was different. There was no team to play. Essentialy it was a bye week your saying we have to pay for. If it was my business I would have apologized to everyone for letting a team like this in and turned it into a bye week. Every team in our division feels ripped off by this situation. I was the only one with the balls to put my foot down.