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manopr350

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During a game you are not allow to use a different cue to play. You have to use the same cue you started to play with. But you are allow (most of the time) to use a break cue and a jump cue. It should be allow the use of at least 2 playing cues. For example: a lighter cue and a heavier cue.
Tennis a golf players are allow.., why not pool players??
 
manopr350 said:
During a game you are not allow to use a different cue to play. You have to use the same cue you started to play with. But you are allow (most of the time) to use a break cue and a jump cue. It should be allow the use of at least 2 playing cues. For example: a lighter cue and a heavier cue.
Tennis a golf players are allow.., why not pool players??
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What rules are you talking about? WPA (World Standardized) rules do not limit you to just one playing cue.
 
manopr350 said:
During a game you are not allow to use a different cue to play. You have to use the same cue you started to play with. But you are allow (most of the time) to use a break cue and a jump cue. It should be allow the use of at least 2 playing cues. For example: a lighter cue and a heavier cue.
Tennis a golf players are allow.., why not pool players??
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Whenever I go to the bar, I can use whatever I want for each shot.
 
manopr350 said:
During a game you are not allow to use a different cue to play. You have to use the same cue you started to play with. But you are allow (most of the time) to use a break cue and a jump cue. It should be allow the use of at least 2 playing cues. For example: a lighter cue and a heavier cue.
Tennis a golf players are allow.., why not pool players??
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Read the rules again and lay off the caffeine.
According to the WPA, you are limited to three cues. It doesn't say what type of cue.
 
I have a feeling he is talking about the misinterpreted APA rule that everyone thinks they know and like to tell you as soon as you pick up a different cue. Just like the three strikes and your out while breaking.

I have had it happen to me back when I played. The closest rule that touches on it deals with jump shots, stating Jump shots are legal, when executed properly (see JUMP SHOTS described
in Definitions), but such shots must be attempted using your regular game cue

As soon as you grab a different cue they say that it isn't your regular game cue. That isn't the correct interpretation of the rule.
 
manopr350 said:
Tennis a golf players are allow.., why not pool players??
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As a retired golfer, I use 13 cues for a pool match.

I shoot. Then my caddy and I size up the situation. Sometimes we argue about which cue is right for the next shot, but I've learned to respect his advice. "It's a three-rail bank. You going to need the 19 oz Southwest (not the 18 oz. Southwest) with the Kamui hard tip." Hey, when he's right, he's right.

I've seen players miss shots -- and lose entire matches -- because of poor cue choice, especially on the short shots around the hole.
 
manopr350 said:
During a game you are not allow to use a different cue to play. You have to use the same cue you started to play with. But you are allow (most of the time) to use a break cue and a jump cue. It should be allow the use of at least 2 playing cues. For example: a lighter cue and a heavier cue.
Tennis a golf players are allow.., why not pool players??
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I've used two playing cues in one match before. I asked my opponent who didn't have a problem with it. This happened at a time when I had just changed cues and I opted to play with my old cue during the match for re-assurance. Which I also explained to my opponent.

I can't see no issue as long as it is done respectfully; of the match and your opponent... :thumbup:
 
bdorman said:
As a retired golfer, I use 13 cues for a pool match.

I shoot. Then my caddy and I size up the situation. Sometimes we argue about which cue is right for the next shot, but I've learned to respect his advice. "It's a three-rail bank. You going to need the 19 oz Southwest (not the 18 oz. Southwest) with the Kamui hard tip." Hey, when he's right, he's right.

I've seen players miss shots -- and lose entire matches -- because of poor cue choice, especially on the short shots around the hole.
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:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
Does your caddy sneak into the bar at night to measure the table and the Diamonds around the table for accuracy?
 
Careyp74 said:
I have a feeling he is talking about the misinterpreted APA rule that everyone thinks they know and like to tell you as soon as you pick up a different cue. Just like the three strikes and your out while breaking.

I have had it happen to me back when I played. The closest rule that touches on it deals with jump shots, stating Jump shots are legal, when executed properly (see JUMP SHOTS described
in Definitions), but such shots must be attempted using your regular game cue

As soon as you grab a different cue they say that it isn't your regular game cue. That isn't the correct interpretation of the rule.
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That's in APA rules? I don't play APA, but I have a hard time believing that's in the rules unless it means that jump cues are banned.
 
APA also says for jump shots no Speciality cues such as jump cues or Break Cues. They do allow jumping in Masters
 
wrickyb said:
APA also says for jump shots no Speciality cues such as jump cues or Break Cues. They do allow jumping in Masters
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this has always been a grey area to me.

i guess its up to how every one interprets the rule which bothers me because i always try to follow the intent of each rule because it would take volumes to cover each and every rule in every league.

in apa it does specify no specialty cues. but what defines a specialty cue other than a jump cue ? according to apa you can play with any cue with any tip.whats to stop you from playing a match with a break cue ? i have played with a cue that has a g 10 tip less ferrule. every one was looking around trying to figure out what was that pinging sound ?lol.

i put a buffalo tip on my viking and used it to break with. does that mean i cant use it to play with also ? no it does not according to the rule that you can use any tip.....even phenolic.

since it is legal to change dues during a match it is legal to switch to a cue with a diamond tip in order to make a jump shot.....as long as you continue the rack with that same cue ...which i have done . that incident brought a complaint to the lo from the opposing team captain. the lo told him what i did was perfectly legal.
 
lorider said:
this has always been a grey area to me.

i guess its up to how every one interprets the rule which bothers me because i always try to follow the intent of each rule because it would take volumes to cover each and every rule in every league.

in apa it does specify no specialty cues. but what defines a specialty cue other than a jump cue ? according to apa you can play with any cue with any tip.whats to stop you from playing a match with a break cue ? i have played with a cue that has a g 10 tip less ferrule. every one was looking around trying to figure out what was that pinging sound ?lol.

i put a buffalo tip on my viking and used it to break with. does that mean i cant use it to play with also ? no it does not according to the rule that you can use any tip.....even phenolic.

since it is legal to change dues during a match it is legal to switch to a cue with a diamond tip in order to make a jump shot.....as long as you continue the rack with that same cue ...which i have done . that incident brought a complaint to the lo from the opposing team captain. the lo told him what i did was perfectly legal.
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You are making this more complicated then it deserves. In APA you can you use any cue you would like to shoot regular shots. For example, if the tip pops off on a shot you can grab another cue and continue shooting. If you choose to jump you have to use your standard playing cue and not a jump cue.
 
i just read the rules for the nationals on the apa website.

it does state you can change cues diuring a match. it also says you cannot use a cue specifically designed for breaking.

you can use a regular cue that you use to break with to jump also. so that means if you put a hard tip on a playing cue to break with you can also jump with it.

no grey area to me any more.:D
 
TheNewSharkster said:
You are making this more complicated then it deserves. In APA you can you use any cue you would like to shoot regular shots. For example, if the tip pops off on a shot you can grab another cue and continue shooting. If you choose to jump you have to use your standard playing cue and not a jump cue.
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you posted while i was typing .:grin:

not complicated at all. if you change the tip on a regular playing cue to one that makes it easier to jump with its perfectly legal . you can change from a cue with a soft tip that you normally use to a cue with a hard tip that you use for breaking in order to make a jump shot.
 
DAVE_M said:
... According to the WPA, you are limited to three cues. It doesn't say what type of cue.
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I don't think that is true. Please cite your source.

I do find this, under 1.3 Player's Use of Equipment: "(a) Cue Stick – The player is permitted to switch between cue sticks during the match, such as break, jump and normal cues." I don't read that as limiting the player to three cues.
 
RioSevario said:
I have never understood why the APA rules exclude the jump cue. Can someone make this sound logical to me?
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i will give it a shot.:grin:

apa per se does not exclude jump cues except in handicapped divisions.

you are allowed to use jump cues in masters divisions and also at the us amature event which btw they both allow push outs also.

only in handicapped division jump cues are not allowed in order to level the playing field and give lower level player a some what ( notice i said some what ) chance to be competitive.
 
lorider said:
i will give it a shot.:grin:

apa per se does not exclude jump cues except in handicapped divisions.

you are allowed to use jump cues in masters divisions and also at the us amature event which btw they both allow push outs also.

only in handicapped division jump cues are not allowed in order to level the playing field and give lower level player a some what ( notice i said some what ) chance to be competitive.
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I agree and will add to this. Keep in mind this is just my opinion. I have no idea why APA does what they do in regards to rules.

I think they restrict usage so you don't get a bunch of low skill level player jamming a cue stick into the felt trying to pull a jump shot they have no business trying. Since its very difficult to jump with a regular cue stick they don't got for it.
 
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