10 Ball Question

[Poolshootindon]

Being new to the game of 10 ball I am curious about one thing. If I legally hit the object ball (trying to pocket the ball, no safety called) and i miss the ball and the cue ball ends up where my opponent is hooked and cannot hit the lowest ball on the table can my opponent make me shoot again.

Just curious.

Thanks.. Don

 

[hang-the-9]

Being new to the game of 10 ball I am curious about one thing. If I legally hit the object ball (trying to pocket the ball, no safety called) and i miss the ball and the cue ball ends up where my opponent is hooked and cannot hit the lowest ball on the table can my opponent make me shoot again.

Just curious.

Thanks.. Don

Depends on what rules you are using.

If going by strict 10 ball rules (Orthodox Rabbi Rules), yes the opponent can pass back a missed called shot back to you. Also if you call a safe and pocket a ball, that also can be given back.

Most people play 10 ball by 9 ball rules though, just with a 10 ball rack, that would be the "I visit my parents for Chanuka but eat bacon" rules.

You can also mix and match the rules as you like (for example play no called shot but if a safe is not called you can pass it back if you are hooked and the guy misses).

 

[Joe_Jaguar]

Depends on what rules you are using.

If going by strict 10 ball rules (Orthodox Rabbi Rules), yes the opponent can pass back a missed called shot back to you. Also if you call a safe and pocket a ball, that also can be given back.

Most people play 10 ball by 9 ball rules though, just with a 10 ball rack, that would be the "I visit my parents for Chanuka but eat bacon" rules.

You can also mix and match the rules as you like (for example play no called shot but if a safe is not called you can pass it back if you are hooked and the guy misses).

Depends how you define "strict". To me strict would be to follow the WPA or other widely accepted rules and there would be no "option" to pass back on a miss that results in an unliked hook. That's pool. Now gaffed up promoter specific rules might allow for this rule variation, which to me isn't strictly following anything, other than the flavor of the month.

 

[DJ62]

If the WPA rules are the "Orthodox Rabbi Rules" then rule 9.8 Continuing Play would apply. The rule

states "If the shooter fails to pocket the called ball or fouls, play passes to the other player, and if no

foul was committed, the incoming player must play the cue ball from the position left by the other

player." But as hang-the-9 has stated often a combination of rules are used. The rule

that the incoming player has the choice to pass it back to the shooter after a miss was added by pro

players in some tournaments in an attempt to take some luck out of the game.

 

[hang-the-9]

If the WPA rules are the "Orthodox Rabbi Rules" then rule 9.8 Continuing Play would apply. The rule

states "If the shooter fails to pocket the called ball or fouls, play passes to the other player, and if no

foul was committed, the incoming player must play the cue ball from the position left by the other

player." But as hang-the-9 has stated often a combination of rules are used. The rule

that the incoming player has the choice to pass it back to the shooter after a miss was added by pro

players in some tournaments in an attempt to take some luck out of the game.

As far as I know, the full hardcore true 10 ball rules are called shot and called safe with the option to pass back a miss on a called shot. Then it was lighted up a bit to add two way shots in for many tournaments.

The rule is actually in the official WPA rules of 10 ball, so my "as far as I know" was right.

9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls
If a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent.

http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=118&pagetype=rules#9.5

I think what I would like to see is that the player that is going to shoot after a missed ball can either push or shoot. So if I hook you but miss, you can either pass it back to me or push out. If you pass it back to me, I can push out or shoot.

 

[DJ62]

WPA rule 9.7 is for a Wrongfully Pocketed Ball not a missed called ball. Rule 9.8 would cover the

situation that the OP stated. I agree with you hang-the-nine, giving the incoming player a chance to

push after a miss would probably be a good rule.

 

[oldschool1478]

WPA rule 9.7 is for a Wrongfully Pocketed Ball not a missed called ball. Rule 9.8 would cover the

situation that the OP stated. I agree with you hang-the-nine, giving the incoming player a chance to

push after a miss would probably be a good rule.

This is rule 9.8;

9.8 Continuing Play
If the shooter legally pockets a called/nominated ball on a shot (except a push out, see 9.4 Second Shot of the Rack – Push Out), any additional balls pocketed remain pocketed (except the ten ball; see 9.9 Spotting Balls), and he continues at the table for the next shot. If he legally pockets the called ten ball on any shot (except a push out), he wins the rack. If the shooter fails to pocket the called ball or fouls, play passes to the other player, and if no foul was committed, the incoming player must play the
cue ball from the position left by the other player.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Okay

Thank you to all the AZer's who replied.

Don

 

[hang-the-9]

WPA rule 9.7 is for a Wrongfully Pocketed Ball not a missed called ball. Rule 9.8 would cover the

situation that the OP stated. I agree with you hang-the-nine, giving the incoming player a chance to

push after a miss would probably be a good rule.

I did not read the second part correctly about AND a ball going in another pocket by accident in that rule. I think Bob Jewett is in the rules comittee (for BCA maybe if not WPA) I wonder if he'd be interested in trying to add the "push out on a called shot miss" rule to 10 Ball.