Right now the For Sale section is a joke

[cuesblues]

It definitely feels like someone was sold "the Panjo machine". I'm pretty familiar with tech sites and I've never heard of Panjo until AZ brought it.

It's a neat idea that other folks OUTSIDE of AZ see these posts but I don't think it fits well here.

If you could click submit new post then choose through Panjo or standard AZ it would be better. However with Panjo EVERY SINGLE item has to be separate.

I personally think that bumping every 48 hours is good as well as limiting to 5 posts per user IF they upgrade to the Gold membership. Without Gold membership do 1 post per person.

It's not rocket science. The higher ups should be speaking with other forum owners not companies trying to sell a completely separate but then after the fact integrated system.

There are LOADS of other forums managing WAY more users much more effectively.

It's simply a rules based software system that is customized a little to cater to the nature of our business.

Bill, you young guys aren't old enough to remember Panjo>>:smile:
You have to go back to the old DOS / Windows 3.1.1 days to remember Panjo.
Back in '93 I was online when I didn't even know what the internet was, and I came across a cue for sale on Panjo.
I remember because it took me 16-hours to download the pics on a 2400 baud modem

 

[Billiardbills]

LMAO TED^^^^ That's great. Here's the best part, I'm 34 so I was 13 then. Lol.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

It has nothing to do with the moderators. When users do what they want without respect for others, no amount of rules will fix it.

Currently, there are two members who have started 20 of the 25 threads on the first page. When users like billiardballs and Rush72 don't respect the rest, what's the point. Absolutely ridiculous to take over like that.

Welcome to year 2014, it is not like 1958 when people were different. I honestly would like to travel back, and relive 1953-1973 those were good years.

Yes there are those who have started 20 of the 25 threads on page #1.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

Most forums allow only 1 FS thread per user at a time. Sponsors get a separate section, or more threads.

My beef is with both selfish posters and the rules.

I am not trying to muddy the waters here but I didn't see any such rule. Can you link it? If no rule exists about the number of threads these guys have every right in the world to post to their hearts content. I don't like it but as long as they follow the rules who are we to try and moderate these users.

 

[Billiardbills]

Well I actually agree about posting thread after thread after thread. I usually break them up so its not 10-15 in a row. Maybe 3-5 here and there but not all in one spot.

I just didn't understand that the "Panjo classifieds" section would automatically post in the "wanted/for sale" section.

Like I said with Panjo you can't post two in one listing unless you want to sell them together.

Anyhow, I've apologized three times and that's all I can do. I follow the rules as well as try and have consideration of everyone else.

 

[StuartTKelley]

I apologize for my bunch of threads.

I thought they were going ONLY on Panjo then I had to post in the FS forum.

I even checked and they weren't there and then they all PILED on at one time.

HOWEVER, IF I COULD'VE JUST BUMPED A FEW THREADS HERE AND THERE THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

I try hard not to have more than 5-6 at a time.

Anyhow, sorry for the traffic.

You're one of the good guys Bill, I doubt it was directed at you. Keep on posting those beautiful cues sir!

 

[buddha162]

I am not trying to muddy the waters here but I didn't see any such rule.

There's not, but there should be.

And there are plenty of bullshit selfish behavior on AZB w/o anyone breaking any rules. I think we're in agreement that better rules will lead to better forum participation, but posting 10+ separate threads and bumping them all at once is douchebaggery plain and simple, regardless of rules.

 

[buddha162]

No matter what happens, people will figure out ways to bend the rules, and the more rules, the more loopholes, and more aggravation.

Limit FS threads to 1 or 2 per person at a time, and limit bumpage to OP every 48 hours.

Where's the loophole? Let's play this one out.

 

[Ky Boy]

The biggest problem now that the FS section has been split up is there is not enough tracffic to keep threads rotating. I spend way too much time on AZ and most of that is between the main forum and what was the wanted/for sale section. Now, I can check the FS section 10 times a day and see virtually the same stuff for sale each time.

As a seller, I can see how that would be good but for a potential buyer I want to see threads rotate like a carousel. They now stay on the first page nearly 24 hours before being pushed to other pages. If that was the desired effect then it worked.

While my iTrader doesn't reflect accurately, I have made well over 70-80 purchases on here and liked that I could go to the FS section and see something different each time. But now I keep seeing the same stuff for the most part each day.

I think the overall effect will be a negative one. It will ultimately decrease traffic to these areas as most will be less likely to browse. Good or bad that's my opinion...


Gary

 

[cuesblues]

Limit FS threads to 1 or 2 per person at a time, and limit bumpage to OP every 48 hours.

Where's the loophole? Let's play this one out.

Some people will always look for an angle, we're dealing with poolplayers and Ebay sellers.
What we need is a membership code of conduct that runs parallel to the rules, for a
little more definition or detail to the existing rules, so people can't dispute whether or
not it's a rules violation, when they are clearly being dickheads.
Something outside of the rules needs to tell a guy who already feels entitled, that it's
not cool to bump so many stupid threads at the same time.
These are the same issues from years ago that unsuccessfully forced the policy
changes as we know them today>

 

[TheNewSharkster]

There's not, but there should be.

And there are plenty of bullshit selfish behavior on AZB w/o anyone breaking any rules. I think we're in agreement that better rules will lead to better forum participation, but posting 10+ separate threads and bumping them all at once is douchebaggery plain and simple, regardless of rules.

I dont see this as being a douche. If somebody is listing a ton of stuff on ebay would you call them a douche for that? The bottom line is you shouldn't have frustrations with the person who is following the rules. Your frustrations should be towards the people who defined the rules.

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

Away around all this bs

You would think there would be some way around all this .,:thumbup:

 

[cueaddicts]

So I posted a case for sale earlier this morning and it still hasn't been populated into a new thread in the W/FS section. It's over in the Panjo section though. Why do some items generate a new FS notification thread and some don't? Anyone ??????

 

[buddha162]

Some people will always look for an angle, we're dealing with poolplayers and Ebay sellers.
What we need is a membership code of conduct that runs parallel to the rules, for a
little more definition or detail to the existing rules, so people can't dispute whether or
not it's a rules violation, when they are clearly being dickheads.
Something outside of the rules needs to tell a guy who already feels entitled, that it's
not cool to bump so many stupid threads at the same time.
These are the same issues from years ago that unsuccessfully forced the policy
changes as we know them today>

Well that would really clear things up: rules + a code of conduct

I mean, since we're brainstorming here and coming up with suggestions, please provide an example where 1 thread per user/48 hr OP bump can be circumvented and abused.

 

[buddha162]

I dont see this as being a douche. If somebody is listing a ton of stuff on ebay would you call them a douche for that? The bottom line is you shouldn't have frustrations with the person who is following the rules. Your frustrations should be towards the people who defined the rules.

Lol don't you worry about who I vent my frustration towards.

Ebay is not a forum, it's not a community, it's a pure e-commerce site for people to buy and sell things. As I understand it, the FS forum on AZB is for members of the AZB community to buy/sell/trade to other members. It's not meant to be a commercial website, even if many individuals do approach the volume of commercial sales on the FS forum.

Most forums have a separate section for vendors who are also sponsors, and members who might have a used item or two to sell every once in a blue moon. No one wins when the two are mixed together.

And yes, the rules need change...but the people who have no common decency in listing dozens of separate threads and bumping them all at once need to be called out for what they are: inconsiderate, selfish douchebags. Nothing personal.

 

[AtLarge]

Bill, you young guys aren't old enough to remember Panjo>>:smile:
You have to go back to the old DOS / Windows 3.1.1 days to remember Panjo.
Back in '93 I was online when I didn't even know what the internet was, and I came across a cue for sale on Panjo.
I remember because it took me 16-hours to download the pics on a 2400 baud modem

Curious. When I was searching around a couple days ago to learn something about Panjo, I think I read that the CEO, Chad Billmyer, founded the company under the name Enthusify in 2010, then changed its name to Panjo in 2013. But from what you say, maybe there is more to the Panjo name and history than that.

 

[Dockter]

Limit FS threads to 1 or 2 per person at a time, and limit bumpage to OP every 48 hours.

Where's the loophole? Let's play this one out.

Loophole is creating an alias or having a buddy or buddies type "nice cue" "Cool cue ws" "this is a steal" every few hours to bump it.

I think your suggestions added that only the OP can post in the thread fixes the problem, move the default back to last post rather than when the thread started, only 1 thread of fs items ( You can list multiple cues/ items in your thread ) made in the last say 30 days.?

If an item doesn't sell in 30 days the thread should still be able to be out there with the OP also being able to make a new thread.

Just my .02 on the subject.

 

[buddha162]

Loophole is creating an alias or having a buddy or buddies type "nice cue" "Cool cue ws" "this is a steal" every few hours to bump it.

Only OP can bump. Some forums forbid any responses to the FS thread, but I think limiting bumps to the thread starter is probably a better solution. Sometimes (though not often) an endorsement is sincere.

move the default back to last post rather than when the thread started, only 1 thread of fs items ( You can list multiple cues/ items in your thread ) made in the last say 30 days.?

If an item doesn't sell in 30 days the thread should still be able to be out there with the OP also being able to make a new thread.

I think I know what you're saying. Yes, some time limit on expired FS threads would be sensible. They can either relist as a new thread or just scrap it and start over. Either way, the solution should require minimal moderating.

Just my .02 on the subject.

Thank you!

 

[AtLarge]

It definitely feels like someone was sold "the Panjo machine". I'm pretty familiar with tech sites and I've never heard of Panjo until AZ brought it. ...

Ever hear of Enthusify? That seems to be Panjo's former name.

One of the optional features of Panjo for a user group is transaction fees or listing fees. I wonder whether that played any role in AzB choosing to use Panjo.

 

[cuesblues]

Curious. When I was searching around a couple days ago to learn something about Panjo, I think I read that the CEO, Chad Billmyer, founded the company under the name Enthusify in 2010, then changed its name to Panjo in 2013. But from what you say, maybe there is more to the Panjo name and history than that.

Actually I hadn't heard of Panjo until this week, but that is some terrific research, I was
only off by 20-years, which isn't bad considering.