What'd be my speed?

Zphix

Zphix

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Last night I, played a AA player. Good friend now. met him playing with other monsters.

First race was no spot, race to 10 in 8-ball. He beats me 10-8. Next race was 15 in 9-ball, he gave me 3 games and the 8. I beat him 15 to 11. Last set was a race to 10 in 9-ball, no spot, he beats me 10-9 on the hill.

Based on this, what do you think my relative speed is? All sets played on 7 foot Valleys.

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Zphix said:
Last night I, played a AA player. Good friend now. met him playing with other monsters.
First race was no spot, race to 10 in 8-ball. He beats me 10-8. Next race was 15 in 9-ball, he gave me 3 games and the 8. I beat him 15 to 11. Last set was a race to 10 in 9-ball, no spot, he beats me 10-9 on the hill.
Based on this, what do you think my relative speed is? All sets played on 7 foot Valleys.
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Walking, I'd say about three miles per hour. Running, maybe ten.
As far as your pool game there are just too many variables, in only a handful of games, to really tell.
Give it a year, or two, and you'll not have to ask. :)
 
Tramp Steamer said:
Walking, I'd say about three miles per hour. Running, maybe ten.
As far as your pool game there are just too many variables, in only a handful of games, to really tell.
Give it a year, or two, and you'll not have to ask. :)
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Tramp, great to see your name on the forum again. You forgot to ask his speed relative to what? Damn that Einstein fellow!

Zphix,

Were you gambling? If not, there is no way to tell how hard your opponent was really playing. JMHO. Keep practicing, playing and reaching for the stars. JMHO.

Lyn
 
Sorry, I coulda swore I mentioned that we were gambling. It wasn't anything too expensive. Just $20 sets.

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Without seeing the session first-hand, there are far too many variables, to accurately determine your level, based on this small sample.

In general, a player's level of play could go up or down by one level, depending on the day they are having. Though, it tends to average out. Better players tend to be more consistent, and their level of play will not fluctuate as much. This is also why there is less room between the handicaps of the higher rankings.

Suppose your opponent was having a bad day.. Perhaps his level of play was down to 'A' level. Suppose you were having a stellar day, and your level of play was also at a 'A' level. Based on that, you could be considered a 'B' player. (This is just an example, and should not suggest what I believe your level to be)

However, the one variable that makes it impossible to tell your true speed, is the fact that you were playing on a barbox. This changes everything. This is why you will see so many APA 9s that are 'B' players on a 9' table.

If you had a video of the aforementioned session, your speed could more accurately be determined.
 
Best way to find out where you stand is to enter local tournaments. Didn't you say you were going to school around Green Bay a while back? There are tournaments almost every weekend around Green Bay and The Fox Valley.
 
Where did this "AA" ranking come from? That also means different things in different areas. For example, i know you played in Park Forest and probably know Mark. I don't know if I i'd consider him one.
 
Zphix said:
Last night I, played a AA player. Good friend now. met him playing with other monsters.

First race was no spot, race to 10 in 8-ball. He beats me 10-8. Next race was 15 in 9-ball, he gave me 3 games and the 8. I beat him 15 to 11. Last set was a race to 10 in 9-ball, no spot, he beats me 10-9 on the hill.

Based on this, what do you think my relative speed is? All sets played on 7 foot Valleys.

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Sorry, but either you played way over your head or he's the worst AA that I've ever heard of. No APA 4 comes close to hanging with an AA-speed player. Even an APA 6 would be thrilled with those results against a true AA player.
 
If you're trying to figure out what your skill level in APA or TAP would be, it's pretty simple to get in the ballpark. With the exception of defensive shots, average how many complete innings the 8 ball games you won lasted. 8 games of 8 ball is enough to get an general idea of your skill level. If the games you won lasted an average of 2 innings or less, you're about a 7. If the games you won lasted an average of 2 to 4 innings, your about a 6. 4 to 5 innings, you're about a 5. 5 to 6 innings, you're about a 4. 6 to 7 innings, you're about a 3. More than 7 innings, you're about a 2.

These are just ballpark figures, but it should at least give you an idea where you are.
 
Banks said:
Sorry, but either you played way over your head or he's the worst AA that I've ever heard of. No APA 4 comes close to hanging with an AA-speed player. Even an APA 6 would be thrilled with those results against a true AA player.
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John,

Obviously you know the OP. Didn't see anywhere where he mentioned an APA skill level. Hope to meet up with you somewhere down the road.

Lyn
 
Banks said:
Sorry, but either you played way over your head or he's the worst AA that I've ever heard of. No APA 4 comes close to hanging with an AA-speed player. Even an APA 6 would be thrilled with those results against a true AA player.
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Agreed. Even the top APA ranks only get you to a B level of play. That's why there is some much variability in the actual skill level of top-ranked APA players. It really shows when you play on the big tables, but even on a bar box there's a big difference between a AA player and someone that just maxed our the APA handicaps.
 
cardiac kid said:
John,

Obviously you know the OP. Didn't see anywhere where he mentioned an APA skill level. Hope to meet up with you somewhere down the road.

Lyn
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He had posted a few months ago in the league thread. Even if he were accelerating quickly, I don't see him passing a 6 in that short of a time. I have no idea how I'd rate in such a system, but I'm a mere local A and I'll offer most under a 7/9 an additional spot using APA races. Playing what I'd consider an AA or a AAA, I imagine I'd be the one asking for a spot. Hint hint. :D

I'll probably be going to BCA nationals this year.. finally. My plan is for a 2-n-out in the Open. :o I'll be your cheerleader, Lyn. :woot:
 
Zphix said:
Last night I, played a AA player. Good friend now. met him playing with other monsters.

First race was no spot, race to 10 in 8-ball. He beats me 10-8. Next race was 15 in 9-ball, he gave me 3 games and the 8. I beat him 15 to 11. Last set was a race to 10 in 9-ball, no spot, he beats me 10-9 on the hill.

Based on this, what do you think my relative speed is? All sets played on 7 foot Valleys.

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If you know what a AA player is and can say that your friend is a AA, then you should have a good indication of what your speed is based on your level against his.

In my travels, I find that most people have a different idea of what an A or AA or AAA player is.

Freddie <~~~ 95
 
Banks said:
Sorry, but either you played way over your head or he's the worst AA that I've ever heard of. No APA 4 comes close to hanging with an AA-speed player. Even an APA 6 would be thrilled with those results against a true AA player.
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Exactly. In a long race like going to 15 I could give an APA 4 7 or 8 games. If you aren't running all the way out on a Valley barbox...you aren't winning. I'd say I'm breaking and running 30 to 40 percent off my break. That alone makes up 5 of the spotted games. Moving better in every way seals it. Just too big a difference in skill.
 
Zphix,
Glad to see you are continually pursuing improvement. When I played you and saw you play at the AZ Chicago meeting, I would have called you a solid "C" player. Of course one night is a fairly small sample size, and a person could easily play a level up or down from there, but your stroke, pattern play, safety's, etc, also suggested that level. If you played a AA player as tight as you are saying, then I would think that you would have to be a solid B to A- player at the least. A "B" player can have a good night and hang with just about anyone over a short period, especially on a 7 footer, but anything under this would never have a chance, even at their best, to hang with a AA player over those sets, and even then, the "B" player would have to have a real good night. So, while a "B" player could make that happen, it would likely take an A- to A player or better to do what you are talking about. While you certainly showed potential this summer, that is a pretty big jump to make in that amount of time, making me think the person you played isn't quite at that level (there certainly aren't that many AA players out there). If you are convinced he is a AA, you think that he played at his normal AA speed, and you can play the way you did all the time, then I would stand by my rating stated above (A- to A) and applaud a gargantuan jump in speed in 6 months. Of course a 7 footer does change things a bit vs a 9 footer, but you still have to be able to run out with an open table, play good safeties, and kick at at least a B speed to ever hang with a AA player.
 
cardiac kid said:
John,

Obviously you know the OP. Didn't see anywhere where he mentioned an APA skill level. Hope to meet up with you somewhere down the road.

Lyn
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I believe he said he was a 4 a little while back in another thread, although he started a different one saying he had improved a lot since going to college after that one.
 
Zphix said:
Last night I, played a AA player. Good friend now. met him playing with other monsters.

First race was no spot, race to 10 in 8-ball. He beats me 10-8. Next race was 15 in 9-ball, he gave me 3 games and the 8. I beat him 15 to 11. Last set was a race to 10 in 9-ball, no spot, he beats me 10-9 on the hill.

Based on this, what do you think my relative speed is? All sets played on 7 foot Valleys.

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It means I will give u the 8 when u get back in town ;)
 
Zphix said:
Last night I, played a AA player. Good friend now. met him playing with other monsters.

First race was no spot, race to 10 in 8-ball. He beats me 10-8. Next race was 15 in 9-ball, he gave me 3 games and the 8. I beat him 15 to 11. Last set was a race to 10 in 9-ball, no spot, he beats me 10-9 on the hill.

Based on this, what do you think my relative speed is? All sets played on 7 foot Valleys.

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I'd say your speed is entirely amazing.

:rolleyes:
 
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