Oh he had plenty, unfortunately for him they were left on the table when the other guys were in the pocket...haha ....
well at least you cant say he doesn't have "balls" lol especially when he has no stroke haha
Again, I'm just jesting ;-)
Oh he had plenty, unfortunately for him they were left on the table when the other guys were in the pocket...haha ....
well at least you cant say he doesn't have "balls" lol especially when he has no stroke haha
Oh he had plenty, unfortunately for him they were left on the table when the other guys were in the pocket...
Again, I'm just jesting ;-)
It's funny to see the same people arguing the same thing, but in different threads.
Also funny that people focus on what is different between the different aiming systems and don't take note of what is similar. Could be the use of different words to describe the same thing and disagreement of the definition of those words.
Change your approach angle into the shot until perception tells you are in the right spot.
This wording has been used by proponents of CTE, but I think it applies to all aiming systems.
Perception. A term frequently used by the founder of CTE, who also says it is a key component.
All aiming systems use perception. Difference begins with what each aiming system is perceiving. For each of the different aiming systems, what is the thought process and visualization that tells you the approach angle is correct ? Would be very useful if proponents of each system provided a single sentence answer to this question and then someone listed them all together. People think and visualize differently. Some things are easy to visualize for one person, but difficult for another.
Believe it or not, I perceive and visualize different things depending on the shot. Thin cuts, thick cuts, no cut, combinations, OB & CB very close together, etc..
I've given my advice to westlife in post #2 based on my pool journey of more than 47 years.
If anyone else has any advice for him please post it.
I apologize for the long 'discussion' of CTE Pro1.
However I do not think it would be good for westlife to go in that direction based on my experience with it & westlife's previous threads & posts.
Obviously he can go in whatever direction he chooses.
So, if anyone has any real advice for westlife that might actually benefit him, please post it.
Best Wishes to Everyone.
Something becomes subconscious when it is a habit and you no longer have to think about doing it. That does not mean CTE is no longer objective. When you are in the zone, you are thinking about absolutely nothing. The balls just go in the holes and you keep playing shape over and over again. You are still aiming while in the zone, you just aren't doing it on a conscious level.
To answer the bold above......there is no answer, no one sentence.
The reason is already in your post.
Everyone sees things differently. One could answer the question but the answer would only be valid for them and no one else.
The 'subconscious' was in reference to the past CTE 'discussions' where it has been said that there is NO subconscious adjustments being made & the system is & works totally objectively.
The 'opponents' had put forth that the holes in the system are being filled in by subconscious adjustments being made from the shooters' prior experience of playing the game.
I know what objective & subjective & conscious & subconscious mean & what they are.
If you have 5 parallel shots with 5 different angles to the same corner pocket, how can you get those 5 different required angle outcomes from the exact same objective procedure of Edge to A with the same exact same 1/2 tip thinning pivot?
I won't answer that question because my answer is not conducive to a '100% totally objective system'.
Best Wishes,
Rick
Hey RIck, what if i was to tell you on all 5 of those shots, i can move straight into the inside A alignment as i perceive it to be too make each individual different angled shot.
where is the subconscious/adjustment/etc involved in this? IM looking for an intelligent answer and not some half assed answer that has been babbled by uninformed opinions time and time again.
Why should I continue to have any contact at all with you?
You can't seem to understand that there can NOT be 5 different outcomes from the exact same (input) procedure.
Logically & rationally explain how there can be. You can't.
Why should I continue to have any contact at all with you?
You can't seem to understand that there can NOT be 5 different outcomes from the exact same (input) procedure.
Logically & rationally explain how there can be. You can't.
Please see the above.
I didn't think you had it in you to go head to head with me on this and you would find a way to bail. :thumbup:
Why should I continue to have any contact at all with you?
You can't seem to understand that there can NOT be 5 different outcomes from the exact same (input) procedure.
Logically & rationally explain how there can be. You can't.
What bail?
I asked you a question which is to explain logically & rationally how 5 different outcome angles can be derived from the exact same (input) procedure.
You have not even attempted to answer that because you can't. You 'bailed'.
You then ask me to explain what you say you can do.
That proves that you are irrational.
How & why would any rational person expect me to explain the illogical & irrational thing that say that they can do.
My response would be to say that that person is deluding themselves.
PS You have already basically said elsewhere that you're only here to 'play' & pass time. I'm not interested in playing with you or being your play toy. There can be no good outcome from that as you are disingenuous as to truly arriving at any logical conclusion.
You say you know how the subconscious works in pool, yet you make statements showing that you really don't. Such as equating subconscious to adjustments.
You also yet fail to comprehend that the "input" for the five shots is not identical. There is one large difference that you continually want to skip over. You want to equate the one set of visuals as the entire input for the shot. It's not. If you had bothered to actually study the DVD that you had, you would have understood it.
Instead, for some arcane reason, instead of studying it and having an intelligent discussion about it, all you care to do is make concrete statements that only showcase your lack of knowledge on the subject. And constantly try and refute the system from a point of ignorance on the subject.
You must get some kind of thrill out of it, because you keep on doing it. It's really pretty sad. You act like you want to help others, yet consistently do what you can to prevent them from learning worthwhile things.
Because you made this personal with these silly remarks towards me, I am not going to make this easy on you and I will keep you spinning in circles until your bright enough to find a way out of it.
The system is connected to table as you have heard from stan and others, right? Now because i understand this and I am experienced with the system, i can move "straight" into the inside A alignment as i perceive it to be too make all 5 individual different angled shot. No adjustment/etc needed.
Okay Neil...explain the one large 'objective' difference. I'm listening.
Right.
Okay.
I say you can't explain it logically or rationally & you say you won't. Okay it's a you say, I say.
It would seem that if you wanted to end my objections you would be more than happy to explain it.
I don't need it because I'm not ever going to go to it.
But if you don't want anyone out there that's reading all this that is thinking, 'Yeah, he's right, how can you get 5 outcomes from the same thing', then keep the 'secret' to yourself.
I have explained it to you at least twice already. Plus, it's on the DVD. Not going to waste my time explaining it yet again to someone that doesn't even care to learn. Not going to go back and forth with you on this either. You have had numerous chances to learn it, including free lesson from Stan himself. You refused it all. All you want is to knock it.