Simonis Green Cloth Variance

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DrCue'sProtege

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Over the years have you posters found that the shade of Simonis Green cloth will vary? I have had Simonis Green 860 on my Gold Crown twice and they are different shades of green. I still have samples of both of them.

When I first got my Gold Crown IV in January of 2003 I had the standard Simonis Green put on the table. It was okay, sort of a hair on the brighter shade of green. When I had it moved back around October of 2007 I had Simonis Green put on it again and this time it was much darker. To the point where I thought it was noticeable. It didn't take me very long to put the Powder Blue back on it.

So, can the shade of Simonis Green actually vary? Some of the pictures, videos, DVDs, YouTube videos, etc, I have of Simonis Green look a lot different than what I have got over the years. This is basically why I am going with English Green this time.

r/Mike
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Over the years have you posters found that the shade of Simonis Green cloth will vary? I have had Simonis Green 860 on my Gold Crown twice and they are different shades of green. I still have samples of both of them.

When I first got my Gold Crown IV in January of 2003 I had the standard Simonis Green put on the table. It was okay, sort of a hair on the brighter shade of green. When I had it moved back around October of 2007 I had Simonis Green put on it again and this time it was much darker. To the point where I thought it was noticeable. It didn't take me very long to put the Powder Blue back on it.

So, can the shade of Simonis Green actually vary? Some of the pictures, videos, DVDs, YouTube videos, etc, I have of Simonis Green look a lot different than what I have got over the years. This is basically why I am going with English Green this time.

r/Mike
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Comparing 4 yr old cloth vs new is not very good, neither is going by what you see on TV or your computer. As I posted before about sorting out colors, you are not actually looking at the cloth, you are looking at what the camera, encoding method, your screen and your lighting show you.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Comparing 4 yr old cloth vs new is not very good, neither is going by what you see on TV or your computer. As I posted before about sorting out colors, you are not actually looking at the cloth, you are looking at what the camera, encoding method, your screen and your lighting show you.
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That's true, I agree. A good point.

But my memory is good enough to realize that I got two different shades of green here. The January 2003 shade was lighter/brighter than the 2007 shade of standard Simonis Green.

I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed differences in the shade of Simonis Green.

r/Mike
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
That's true, I agree. A good point.

But my memory is good enough to realize that I got two different shades of green here. The January 2003 shade was lighter/brighter than the 2007 shade of standard Simonis Green.

I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed differences in the shade of Simonis Green.

r/Mike
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There were a few people on here with cue sticks they wanted IDed, they swore for days that they got it 40 years ago from the pope himself. After a few days and people saying that that was NOT a 40 year old cue, turns out that they were thinking about a totally different cue and actually this one 30 years newer. But before that, they were 100% SURE and TOTALY CORRECT that the cue posted was what they said it was. Right up to the second they realized that is was NOT the cue they thought it was.

Memory is not what you think it is. While you may think you know exactly what color the thing was, reality may not quite match up. The issue is that without someone else being there with you, there is no way for you to know 100% what you remember is true nor for us to know exactly what you were looking at or under what lighting.

You may be able to find out directly from Simonis if they changed colors. Maybe they did. But I'm going to have to go with at least a 50% chance you just THINK they did. Maybe it was not even Simonis you had, or the same exact color name or maybe it was 760 not 860, or something.
 
You mean colors could very from 760 to 860? Standard Simonis Green 760 could be a different shade of Standard Simonis Green 860?
 
Never approve a color from a picture. The ectochrome will change colors. This is a problem with catalogues and many times online sales/retailing. Ever order a shirt that looks cool in a catalogue but comes to you and is much brighter of different? It happens all the time.

With fabrics and leathers, dye lots vary as the are natural materials and take the dye differently. Synthetics are more standard in behavior. I believe Simonis is 100% worsted wool, so the fiber may take dye differently.
 
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Funny, now that I think about it. I had Powder Blue on my table when it was down in my garage. Then when I had it moved upstairs after the upstairs apartment was made bigger I had the Simonis Green put on it. It was just too dark so I had Powder Blue put back on it.

And the 2nd time I had the Powder Blue installed it looked darker than the first time I had it installed. Imagine that.
 
Since Simonis Green is not the color being installed, how is this germane?

If you had bitten the bullet, and flooded your table with fluorescent lighting a week prior to installation, any shade of any cloth, by any manufacturer would be more than bright enough to meet your standards. Instead you direct all of your energy into creating nearly identical threads, as if someone will miraculously solve this problem for you?

I ask you again, why do you incessantly ask for advice when you are adamement in not following it?

How can you expect any different results? Go to the Simonis site, squint at the green colors, and you will see which shade is actually the brightest.

But since you have insufficient light, I suspect this inane drivel will go on endlessly.

Cloth is c. $450; lighting c. $150.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
You mean colors could very from 760 to 860? Standard Simonis Green 760 could be a different shade of Standard Simonis Green 860?
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Well they are different materials, so light would react to them differently, they would abosrb the colors differently, how it stretches would also affect color (the tighter you stretch it the lighter it will look) the faster cloth would likely stretch thinner. If you print something on photo paper it will look very different than if you print the same thing on regular paper.
 
Bob 14:1 said:
Since Simonis Green is not the color being installed, how is this germane?

If you had bitten the bullet, and flooded your table with fluorescent lighting a week prior to installation, any shade of any cloth, by any manufacturer would be more than bright enough to meet your standards. Instead you direct all of your energy into creating nearly identical threads, as if someone will miraculously solve this problem for you?

I ask you again, why do you incessantly ask for advice when you are adamement in not following it?

How can you expect any different results? Go to the Simonis site, squint at the green colors, and you will see which shade is actually the brightest.

But since you have insufficient light, I suspect this inane drivel will go on endlessly.

Cloth is c. $450; lighting c. $150.
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Bob,
I have sufficient light. And like Eric, you are now on ignore. Enjoy your next jab.

r/DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Bob,
I have sufficient light. And like Eric, you are now on ignore. Enjoy your next jab.

r/DCP
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And this is why the idea someone had to be able to delete posts in a thread you started would be a bad idea. This one you'd see two posts and 30 deletions LOL
 
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it's called: dye-lot variance. standard in the Industry. the mfg is allowed 2-3 shades up or down, to be in compliance for a QC claim. if your ORDER did not come from the SAME production/cutting as your SWATCH....then it will NEVER be EXACT.

it's called: change in suppliers. change the thread source; dye source; etc, due to them GOBing (factories have been going out of business every month in Asia for 6 yrs), and the color has to vary.

it's called: whether the rep LIKES YOU or NOT, regarding their final determination of your claim.
 
itsfroze said:
Thanks so much DrCue'sProtege,
I couldn't wait till there was another cloth thread,
I just knew you would come through. :D

PS. I knew I could count on you, you're a cloth thread legend !!! :wink:
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i owe you $1.00.
and Eric.
and Bob.
;)

EDIT: and Phil. and Hang. and....
 
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PINKLADY said:
i owe you $1.00.
and Eric.
and Bob.
;)

EDIT: and Phil. and Hang. and....
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Wanna go double or nothin' that we see an English Green thread by halftime???

Funny thing is, deep down at some level, I sometimes actually feel sorry for this guy. Do the squint comparison thing on the Simonis sample table , and you can see how much less the contrast ratio of English is as compared to Simonis. Judge the playing surface with how it compares to the rails. The differential is even greater between Tournament and English. Can't say I didn't try to warn the guy. This next thread should be a doozy. You must now carry on the flag for your fallen comrades.

Ignored and or invisible Bob

http://www.simoniscloth.com/simonis-styles
 
This post got me blocked. He couldn't recognize help even if it would have bitten him...


Bob 14:1 said:
Since Simonis Green is not the color being installed, how is this germane?

If you had bitten the bullet, and flooded your table with fluorescent lighting a week prior to installation, any shade of any cloth, by any manufacturer would be more than bright enough to meet your standards. Instead you direct all of your energy into creating nearly identical threads, as if someone will miraculously solve this problem for you?

I ask you again, why do you incessantly ask for advice when you are adamement in not following it?

How can you expect any different results? Go to the Simonis site, squint at the green colors, and you will see which shade is actually the brightest.

But since you have insufficient light, I suspect this inane drivel will go on endlessly.

Cloth is c. $450; lighting c. $150.
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Had the English Green put on today. Guess I should have known beforehand. Way too dark.

DCP

I'm blocked, but I saw this coming and tried to warn him. Funny thing is that this is the post that got me blocked. Somebody copy and paste this and send it to him. I was truly trying to prevent this. It's readily apparent that the reflectivity of English is less than Simonis green. Guy cannot take a little ribbing, nor realize when someone's truly trying to help him. I freakin' give up.

This guy owes me an open forum apology, and I mean right now...
 
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