Fear of Feel

[ENGLISH!]

Rick, when you ask questions like that, you make it sound like you have absolutely no clue how to use CTE. But are only trolling for some bait to use for nitpicking some words.

Neil,

If I thought you could even understand the question perhaps I would have asked it of you.

I didn't.

May Blessings be sent your way.

 

[swest]

I can see how you would think that with the way I worded my example, but that wasn't the case. I did ask questions. I just didn't throw my teacher under the bus when I didn't like or understand their answer.

And I did that, how?

Please use the quote function, or the drag'n'drop to bring in my words to the effect that I threw my teacher (I assume you mean Stan) under the bus.

I'll wait here while you do that.

 

[swest]

Simple. When you can clearly see the two visual lines.

But I did that when I lined up Center-to-Center, with my "strongest visual alignment", on the first shot. So, if I now change something for the second shot, how will I still see the 'two visual lines'?

Are you really sure you want to continue this? I mean, after all, I yielded to Neil's assertion that the question has been answered in the posts that have already been made, and I am satisfied with that.

- s.west

 

[ENGLISH!]

But I did that when I lined up Center-to-Center, with my "strongest visual alignment", on the first shot. So, if I now change something for the second shot, how will I still see the 'two visual lines'?

Are you really sure you want to continue this? I mean, after all, I yielded to Neil's assertion that the question has been answered in the posts that have already been made, and I am satisfied with that.

- s.west

Sam,

Could you direct me to where those answers are?

Thanks in Advance,
Rick

 

[Neil]

Neil,

If I thought you could even understand the question perhaps I would have asked it of you.

I didn't.

May Blessings be sent your way.

Oh, ok, don't clarify it so it makes any sense, just insult me. By the way, any time you want to take a CTE aiming test against me, just say so.

 

[BeiberLvr]

And I did that, how?

Please use the quote function, or the drag'n'drop to bring in my words to the effect that I threw my teacher (I assume you mean Stan) under the bus.

I'll wait here while you do that.

Never said you did.

 

[BeiberLvr]

But I did that when I lined up Center-to-Center, with my "strongest visual alignment", on the first shot. So, if I now change something for the second shot, how will I still see the 'two visual lines'?

Are you really sure you want to continue this? I mean, after all, I yielded to Neil's assertion that the question has been answered in the posts that have already been made, and I am satisfied with that.

- s.west

You do realize the two visual lines are not the same as center to center, right?

Lining up center to center initially isn't even necessary, but is recommended to beginners as it's nice to have a starting point. Key words there are starting point. I'll spell out the process for you in easy to follow steps. We'll use a 15 degree perception with the visuals of CTE/ETA. In other words, a cut to the left.

1. Line up the center of the cue ball to the center of the object ball.

2. Rotate your body to the right slightly until the initial center to center line is now center to edge.

3. At the same, find the line that goes from the edge (in this case left) of the cue ball to A (left quarter) on the object ball.

4. Once you've established a position (or perception) where you can see both lines, perform a manual pivot or visual sweep.

Are you really sure you want to continue now? After all, I'm not as nice as Neil.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Oh, ok, don't clarify it so it makes any sense, just insult me. By the way, any time you want to take a CTE aiming test against me, just say so.

That's what I meant.

You admit here that you actually don't understand the question & would need me to clarify it. That's exactly what I would have thought based on your past postings on the subject.

Why did you not just politely ask me to clarify the question instead of using the trolling manner of your post with an implied insult to me.

You've made many unsolicited attempts to explain your thoughts.

I did not ask you because I don't really want a rehash from you.

Unless that is, if Sam has seen something that I did not, but I sort of doubt that he has.

You know... I'm starting to note that I seem to remember your insults & 'attacks' on me much longer than you do.

Ditto on the earlier wishings for Blessings your way.

 

[ENGLISH!]

You do realize the two visual lines are not the same as center to center, right?

Lining up center to center initially isn't even necessary, but is recommended to beginners as it's nice to have a starting point. Key words there are starting point. I'll spell out the process for you in easy to follow steps. We'll use a 15 degree perception with the visuals of CTE/ETA. In other words, a cut to the left.

1. Line up the center of the cue ball to the center of the object ball.

2. Rotate your body to the right slightly until the initial center to center line is now center to edge.

3. At the same, find the line that goes from the edge (in this case left) of the cue ball to A (left quarter) on the object ball.

4. Once you've established a position (or perception) where you can see both lines, perform a manual pivot or visual sweep.

Are you really sure you want to continue now? After all, I'm not as nice as Neil.

I don't want to get into anything with you but did you make a mistake in that simple explanation?

The question is just meant as an opportunity to make a correction if you did.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Can you imagine Michael Jordan talking about his "ghost ball" system for making baskets?

Or his "TOI" system?

All games require instinct to aim, it's just based on a referential index.

Now you're talking reality.

In pool it's "Center to Edge," "Edge to Center," or "Center to Center" (from there you can pivot to the quarters or in a variety of other ways)...

Fractions are one way for sure, with or without "pivots". Ghost ball, contact points, CTE, 90/90, etc. - they're all pretty much the same when it comes to finally recognizing the correct shot visual. "Instinct" is one name for it.

pj
chgo

 

[Neil]

That's what I meant.

You admit here that you actually don't understand the question & would need me to clarify it. That's exactly what I would have thought based on your past postings on the subject.

Why did you not just politely ask me to clarify the question instead of using the trolling manner of your post with an implied insult to me.

You've made many unsolicited attempts to explain your thoughts.

I did not ask you because I don't really want a rehash from you.

Unless that is, if Sam has seen something that I did not, but I sort of doubt that he has.

You know... I'm starting to note that I seem to remember your insults & 'attacks' on me much longer than you do.

Ditto on the earlier wishings for Blessings your way.

Unsolicited attempts? What a joke. Here's a solicited one for you- will you explain why you are in this thread talking about CTE when you have zero intention of ever using it or even understanding it enough to have an intelligent discussion or debate about it, and after you have been warned to leave it alone??

 

[stan shuffett]

Or his "TOI" system?


Now you're talking reality.


Fractions are one way for sure, with or without "pivots". Ghost ball, contact points, CTE, 90/90, etc. - they're all pretty much the same when it comes to finally recognizing the correct shot visual. "Instinct" is one name for it.

pj
chgo

The parts where you reference CTE are incorrect. Please present in diagram or on video a single 15 degree perception shot that falls in the full ball to 3/4 ball range that does not work as described in CTE PRO ONE. Show us your knowledge.....and there is the problem. You can't. But you write big about CTE like you know something.

Stan Shuffett

 

[BeiberLvr]

I don't want to get into anything with you but did you make a mistake in that simple explanation?

The question is just meant as an opportunity to make a correction if you did.

If someone that actually understands the system thinks I made a mistake, then I'll make a correction.

 

[8pack]

1. You have 5 shots set up.

2. In each situation, each shot, you will not be standing in the exact same relationship to the cb/ob. But, you will instead be shifting over a little as each angle gets steeper.

3. Each time you move over, you are now looking at a different edge on the cb/ob. It is not the same spot you saw before you moved.

You call adjusting shifting, what is it your moving over? your body. Hows is one to determine what the right shift is on any random shot?

4. From the rough line up, you can now be in the proper position to see the correct visuals for the shot at hand.

5. These rough visuals are now looking at a different part of the ob/cb than you were the previous shot angle.

6. I don't have the exact transcript of Stans statement on the video, so I can not fully reply to exactly what he said. I will say though, that he does shift his body over until he is in the correct place to properly see the correct visuals for the shot. (which is what I already described). He shifts over to get the proper perspective of the shot. Meaning, what does he want to do with the shot? Cut it, bank it, ect. He aligns to the proper perspective. Then, the CTE part comes into play. Meaning, the visuals and pivot or sweep.

7. Again, your initial lineup is a a rough line up. Same as in any other method of aiming. Once in your initial lineup, CTE allows one to fine tune that alignment to the actual shot line.

8. Also, by aligning center to center according to the strongest visual alignment, you are making sure you are seeing a straight line as a straight line. You are getting your head into the correct position to see a straight line as straight. Then he shifts over to the proper perspective for the shot.

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[ENGLISH!]

Unsolicited attempts? What a joke. Here's a solicited one for you- will you explain why you are in this thread talking about CTE when you have zero intention of ever using it or even understanding it enough to have an intelligent discussion or debate about it, and after you have been warned to leave it alone??

This was a 'Fear of Feel' Thread not a CTE thread.

As for CTE,

I'm involved because I've concluded, as have others, that Stan's CTE is NOT 'a 100% totally objective system' for aiming all of the pool shots on a pool table.

I think that affirmation could quite easily pull individuals into wasting their time thinking they are getting something that they are not. If that affirmation were stopped or amended I would probably not be in CTE threads unless there was a new development of some kind.

If you think CTE is 100% totally objective, I understand its nature better than you do.

You distort the suggestion that was made & I've asked for a clarification when that was brought up a while back.

Due to statements another member made I asked him, not you, a question.

You jumped in with an implied insult & look where it's gone.

Trolling by Neil?

3 is a pretty good number. So, for the 3rd. time a wish for Blessings to come your way.

 

[swest]

You do realize the two visual lines are not the same as center to center, right?

Yes, I realize that.

Lining up center to center initially isn't even necessary,

So I've heard.

but is recommended to beginners as it's nice to have a starting point. Key words there are starting point. I'll spell out the process for you in easy to follow steps.

And I do this for all 5 shots, right? By the way, I thought Neil already spelt out the process (?). Let's put them side-by-side (figuratively speaking):

We'll use a 15 degree perception with the visuals of CTE/ETA. In other words, a cut to the left.

1. Line up the center of the cue ball to the center of the object ball.

2. Rotate your body to the right slightly until the initial center to center line is now center to edge.

3. At the same, find the line that goes from the edge (in this case left) of the cue ball to A (left quarter) on the object ball.

4. Once you've established a position (or perception) where you can see both lines, perform a manual pivot or visual sweep.

1. You have 5 shots set up.

2. In each situation, each shot, you will not be standing in the exact same relationship to the cb/ob. But, you will instead be shifting over a little as each angle gets steeper.

3. Each time you move over, you are now looking at a different edge on the cb/ob. It is not the same spot you saw before you moved.

4. From the rough line up, you can now be in the proper position to see the correct visuals for the shot at hand.

5. These rough visuals are now looking at a different part of the ob/cb than you were the previous shot angle.

6. I don't have the exact transcript of Stans statement on the video, so I can not fully reply to exactly what he said. I will say though, that he does shift his body over until he is in the correct place to properly see the correct visuals for the shot. (which is what I already described). He shifts over to get the proper perspective of the shot. Meaning, what does he want to do with the shot? Cut it, bank it, ect. He aligns to the proper perspective. Then, the CTE part comes into play. Meaning, the visuals and pivot or sweep.

7. Again, your initial lineup is a a rough line up. Same as in any other method of aiming. Once in your initial lineup, CTE allows one to fine tune that alignment to the actual shot line.

8. Also, by aligning center to center according to the strongest visual alignment, you are making sure you are seeing a straight line as a straight line. You are getting your head into the correct position to see a straight line as straight. Then he shifts over to the proper perspective for the shot.

I don't see your 'Step 2' in Neil's instructions. I assume since Neil broke things down into more steps, then there will be some mapping that will have to be done. So, if you would just correlate the steps in Neil's 8 that go with your 'Step 2', that would be great. Actually, if you could do that for Steps 3 and 4 also, I would appreciate it.

Are you really sure you want to continue now? After all, I'm not as nice as Neil.

I'm not sure I understand this. I already said I yielded. I don't know what more you're looking for.

If this is a, 'get the last word' kinda thing, I yield there, as well. Just say the word.

- s.west

 

[ENGLISH!]

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Hi Anthony.

I know the answer as do you.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

 

[Neil]

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When you can see both visuals from the proper perspective.

 

[swest]

I can see how you would think that with the way I worded my example, but that wasn't the case. I did ask questions. I just didn't throw my teacher under the bus when I didn't like or understand their answer.

And I did that, how?

Please use the quote function, or the drag'n'drop to bring in my words to the effect that I threw my teacher (I assume you mean Stan) under the bus.

I'll wait here while you do that.

Never said you did.

Oh, well never mind then.

 

[Neil]

Hi Anthony.

I know the answer as do you.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

Then why don't you try actually adding something to the conversation, or are you just going to sit there saying "I know, I know, but I ain't tellin' " like a little kid?

Or, are you just trying your best to sound like you know something without having to actually know it and prove it?