Instructors vs Bangers Reality Show

Push&Pool

Professional Banger
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Since half of this forum is so keen on giving ideas about reality shows which could potentially popularize pool, I'll do my part as well.

Choose 10 professional instructors and 10 random bangers from different parts of the world to participate in this. The bangers would need at least several years of experience in social bar pool, but still play on "banger" level (like that's hard to find :rolleyes: ).

Each one of them gets a team of 5 complete beginners who never tried to play pool in their life. Every pro instructor and banger would then have to do their best to teach the new players as much as they can in a relatively short amount of time. Each team is isolated, even from other teams on their side, so all the knowledge and skills they get would come exclusively from their own leader/instructor.

The teams practice throughout the week. At the end of each week every pro instructor team randomly gets paired up with a banger team. Then they play each other. The team leaders/instructors don't play or assist in any way, they can only watch from a distance without body motions or signals. The side with more defeats has to nominate two weakest teams in their opinion. The votes of the audience would count as well. The two nominated teams play another match and the loser is out of the show.

In case of a draw between the two sides, each side has to nominate one team. The rest of the procedure is identical.

As weeks go by the number of teams on the two sides would probably become uneven (most likely in pro instructors' favor). In that case the numerically inferior side chooses their best teams to play more than one opposing team.

The game they'd play would certainly be 8-ball, as it's the only game that could potentially attract mainstream TV audience due to its popularity in bars. Also, it would probably be the only pool the banger team leaders know about.

When the teams get matched up at the end of every week, before a match they flip a coin. If the pro instructor's team wins the coin toss, the game is played on a 9 ft table by World standardized rules. If the banger's team wins, the game is played on a 7 ft bar box with a few differences in rules:
- slop pool (no shot calling)
- behind-the-line instead of BiH after scratch or CB off the table
- after a foul the player loses turn, but the CB remains where it is for the incoming player (again no BiH)
- Last Pocket 8-ball (the 8 ball goes in the pocket where the last ball was dropped)

The show ends when one side loses all teams.

IMHO it would be a useful and fun show as the audience could see how pool is supposed to be played by watching the pro instructors in action. And to prevent the non-pool-enthusiasts from getting bored, we would have the bangers as a comic relief to make people laugh.

Most importantly, the personalities of all the participants would have to be interesting, unique, funny and eccentric to some point in order for the audience to keep watching and supporting their favorite team. The people and the show shouldn't take itself too seriously. It wouldn't be world championship, everyone knows the professional instructors would win in the end. It's just a creative way of promoting pool and having a great time.
 
So, basically, you are asking the professional instructors to freely put on air what they actually do for a living. Good luck with that.
 
So, basically, you are asking the professional instructors to freely put on air what they actually do for a living. Good luck with that.

Not really an big deal IMO. The UFC has the ultimate fighter with coaches, etc. They don't go into detail about the training. Also, the fun of the show would be to put them all in one house. That's where the drama happens.
 
That would be a very big house to contain 120 people and at least 40 tables, assuming a 9 ft and a 7 ft table for each of the 20 teams.

I would set my DVD to record it and then skip through the commercials.
 
I think I played this show this Tuesday LOL

Played a guy in a tournament, he was not horrible but maybe a C+, could pocket balls every so often, but had no position play to speak of and could not stay down on the shot at all. I won 3-0.

A round later I played a girl, who said "this will be just for practice since you beat my boyfriend and I can't beat him". She was about a D, jumped up off the shot like she was scared it would hit her, stood sideways to the shot, jacked up on rail shots. I felt bad if I just beat her, so I missed shots t let her shot and let her have two easy 9 balls. When it was 2-1 her I stopped with the niceness and won. I could tell she was really trying so as a favor to her I said "you can get better with a few changes, but don't have your boyfriend teach you". Basically, a beginner that was taught by a banger. She did not think that her boyfriend teaching her was an issue, even though her stance, mechanics and shot picks were all bad, so were his just to a much lesser extent.

Then she played my son right after me, she lost 2-0 to a 15 yr old. Taught by an "instructor" although I would not come close to calling myself that. He did have lessons with Dechaine and Corr and also from other good players in the area, so has some good knowledge outside of what I show him.

I would think that unless the instructor side got unlucky and ended up with players that were just naturally clumsy and uncoordinated, they would win 80% of the games after a bit of training.

Everyone always states that it's not practice that makes perfect, it's perfect practice that makes perfect. If you are taught by an incompetent teacher, you will fail as a student.
 
I think I played this show this Tuesday LOL

Played a guy in a tournament, he was not horrible but maybe a C+, could pocket balls every so often, but had no position play to speak of and could not stay down on the shot at all.

Great - if that's the test I'm at least a C+ player! Nice!

Gideon<---Sucks
 
How about you replace the instructors with pros and maybe separate them by region so people can become invested in (For example) the west coast team, the east coast team, midwest, nyc, northeast, etc. choose your denomination.
 
I think I played this show this Tuesday LOL

Played a guy in a tournament, he was not horrible but maybe a C+, could pocket balls every so often, but had no position play to speak of and could not stay down on the shot at all. I won 3-0.

A round later I played a girl, who said "this will be just for practice since you beat my boyfriend and I can't beat him". She was about a D, jumped up off the shot like she was scared it would hit her, stood sideways to the shot, jacked up on rail shots. I felt bad if I just beat her, so I missed shots t let her shot and let her have two easy 9 balls. When it was 2-1 her I stopped with the niceness and won. I could tell she was really trying so as a favor to her I said "you can get better with a few changes, but don't have your boyfriend teach you". Basically, a beginner that was taught by a banger. She did not think that her boyfriend teaching her was an issue, even though her stance, mechanics and shot picks were all bad, so were his just to a much lesser extent.

Then she played my son right after me, she lost 2-0 to a 15 yr old. Taught by an "instructor" although I would not come close to calling myself that. He did have lessons with Dechaine and Corr and also from other good players in the area, so has some good knowledge outside of what I show him.

I would think that unless the instructor side got unlucky and ended up with players that were just naturally clumsy and uncoordinated, they would win 80% of the games after a bit of training.

Everyone always states that it's not practice that makes perfect, it's perfect practice that makes perfect. If you are taught by an incompetent teacher, you will fail as a student.

I enjoyed reading this story :) Congrats to you and your son. As for the show, I'd be surprised as well if the banger side managed to win consistently, especially later in the show when the pro teams would've received a lot of training. But the alteration between big and small tables, as well as WSR and "bar rules" could make it interesting at least to some point.

So, basically, you are asking the professional instructors to freely put on air what they actually do for a living. Good luck with that.

How about you replace the instructors with pros and maybe separate them by region so people can become invested in (For example) the west coast team, the east coast team, midwest, nyc, northeast, etc. choose your denomination.

You're right. It would be a much better idea to use the actual pros. Only, I wouldn't limit this show only to the US, but to the entire world. A few US players would be there, but so would Asian, European and other. The bangers would also come from different countries and continents to represent different variations of social bar pool.

Not really an big deal IMO. The UFC has the ultimate fighter with coaches, etc. They don't go into detail about the training. Also, the fun of the show would be to put them all in one house. That's where the drama happens.

If we used the pros then we could show most of the actual instructions as well. People would partially like to watch it in order to learn something for themselves as well, at least those who play pool.

As for putting them in the same house, it could potentially turn into big brother. I'm still not sure if that's a good or bad thing. There are two major issues with that one: the participants (especially pros) not wanting to give up too much of their privacy, and the focus of the show completely shifting away from pool.

OK, since it's not that serious a competition after all, we could have them in an isolated complex, maybe in some sunny tropical region, where they could practice but hang out with each other as well. There would be drama, but they still wouldn't be as exposed as in a big brother style show. They should also be allowed to go to a nearby town together and enjoy local nightlife once or twice a week. Only the teaching part between instructors and teams which are not their own would have to be prohibited and punished if ever caught on camera or someone reported it.
 
I enjoyed reading this story :) Congrats to you and your son. As for the show, I'd be surprised as well if the banger side managed to win consistently, especially later in the show when the pro teams would've received a lot of training. But the alteration between big and small tables, as well as WSR and "bar rules" could make it interesting at least to some point.





You're right. It would be a much better idea to use the actual pros. Only, I wouldn't limit this show only to the US, but to the entire world. A few US players would be there, but so would Asian, European and other. The bangers would also come from different countries and continents to represent different variations of social bar pool.



If we used the pros then we could show most of the actual instructions as well. People would partially like to watch it in order to learn something for themselves as well, at least those who play pool.

As for putting them in the same house, it could potentially turn into big brother. I'm still not sure if that's a good or bad thing. There are two major issues with that one: the participants (especially pros) not wanting to give up too much of their privacy, and the focus of the show completely shifting away from pool.

OK, since it's not that serious a competition after all, we could have them in an isolated complex, maybe in some sunny tropical region, where they could practice but hang out with each other as well. There would be drama, but they still wouldn't be as exposed as in a big brother style show. They should also be allowed to go to a nearby town together and enjoy local nightlife once or twice a week. Only the teaching part between instructors and teams which are not their own would have to be prohibited and punished if ever caught on camera or someone reported it.

Or even late night action matches or sparring sessions live streamed for sweat betting to appease that crowd. I like your idea about expanding it to the world.
 
Or even late night action matches or sparring sessions live streamed for sweat betting to appease that crowd. I like your idea about expanding it to the world.

Good way of thinking. While we're at it, another attractive feature would be sparring matches between instructors (pro vs banger, pro vs pro, banger vs banger).
 
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