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I am sure the shot on the 4 ball has been discussed "ad nauseam" but here we go again.

What english does he put on the cue ball when he shoots the 4? Bottom? Bottom left? Bottom right? You can clearly see the ball spinning to the right when it comes to rest but is that from the stroke or the rail(s) or what? I have a friend trying to put money on this shot and it is driving me crazy.
 
Bottom right english.
...gotta keep the tip on the cue ball a nano-second longer.

Jimmy Moore is still the best I ever seen at this hit.
 
A lot of straight bottom

billiardthought said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVDrZK6VpuU

I am sure the shot on the 4 ball has been discussed "ad nauseam" but here we go again.

What english does he put on the cue ball when he shoots the 4? Bottom? Bottom left? Bottom right? You can clearly see the ball spinning to the right when it comes to rest but is that from the stroke or the rail(s) or what? I have a friend trying to put money on this shot and it is driving me crazy.
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Due to the distance a lot of straight bottom.
 
I would venture to guess straight bottom, i think the spinning you see when cue ball comes to rest is a product of the collision induced english. But, I'm not a guy who knows how/why things work so I'd be surprised if I'm correct.
 
billiardthought said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVDrZK6VpuU

I am sure the shot on the 4 ball has been discussed "ad nauseam" but here we go again.

What english does he put on the cue ball when he shoots the 4? Bottom? Bottom left? Bottom right? You can clearly see the ball spinning to the right when it comes to rest but is that from the stroke or the rail(s) or what? I have a friend trying to put money on this shot and it is driving me crazy.
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The cloth has to new and it takes a big stroke. I have hit this shot on occasion but to do it under those circumstances is just crazy
 
Straight draw, I think. Watch how the cue ball comes off the rail and then curves sharply back toward Corey. With lots of spin it would have come more straight back off the rail without such a sharp curve afterward.

pj
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336Robin said:
Due to the distance a lot of straight bottom.
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Not sure if that was all low, if you look how it acts when it hits the last cushion, it kills it like with reverse. For reverse off that last rail, the cueball must have been spinning off the first 2 rails to the left. Seems like a low - right hit to me based on how the cueball hit off the last rail.

But a hard low hit would make the cueball do that also, with that first curve down the table, there is a stroke shot that people do when they use draw to pocket a ball, then hit a rail, go off the rail and then curve back around a ball to a pocket, that is done with all low.

Just that last rail kill spin makes it look like it was spinning to the left off the rail, which a low right hit on the cueball would do.
 
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billiardthought said:
Preach! That's what I have been arguing
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It has to be bottom with a little right. After watching over and over and looking at the frames and the reaction of the cue ball and using some knowledge of just how much stroke Cory has, I think he was trying to avoid the 7. I also honestly think he could have run into it with straight bottom.
 
Looks to be straight low, with very clean conditions and an excellent stroke. Can't be hardly any left/right or else he would lose some of the draw. It's just a very well executed draw shot. The spin on the cueball is from the collision of the object-ball and 1st rail. If he did put any English on the shot, it was very minimal and didn't really influence the shot. Maybe a smidge of right to straighten the cut angle a bit....if any.
 
DJ14.1 said:
The spin on the cueball is from the collision of the object-ball and 1st rail. If he did put any English on the shot, it was very minimal and didn't really influence the shot. Maybe a smidge of right to straighten the cut angle a bit....if any.
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I just can't agree. I don't see HOW there can be that much spin transferred from the object ball or the rails to make it still have spin after coming to rest off the 3rd rail... in my opinion only the stroke could transfer that much spin.
 
It was combination of slick new cloth, hot lights, and low right english.

I give it a very very low probability of inside english on the CB due to the CB reaction off first rail.
 
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