karlwittner
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what is the best break cue out there ????
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Best one I ever had was a lightweight Palmer with a Triangle tip. Never should have let it go.
To answer your question directly - for me, the best would be around 17oz with a fairly straight taper (or at least parabolic) and a Triangle tip.
Younger guys can swing more weight, but I'd say stay about an oz under your playing cue weight.
To answer your question directly - for me, the best would be around 17oz with a fairly straight taper (or at least parabolic) and a Triangle tip.
Younger guys can swing more weight, but I'd say stay about an oz under your playing cue weight.
Plenty of good advice here, but you'll probably have to provide some more info. to get the answers you're looking for.
What's important to you? Just break speed & cueball control, durability of the stick, how the stick looks, do you want the ability to change weight of the stick, do you care about price or is money no object, etc etc.
If you can supply a bit more of what you're looking for, help is here.
What's important to you? Just break speed & cueball control, durability of the stick, how the stick looks, do you want the ability to change weight of the stick, do you care about price or is money no object, etc etc.
If you can supply a bit more of what you're looking for, help is here.
I was just wondering this same question a few weeks ago. You should search the forums because there is plenty of information out there. I basically figured out that there are two ways of thinking:
1. A light break cue is good because you maximize your break speed.
2. A heavier cue is good because it adds power to your break.
I think it's just a matter of preference at that point.
Most people on the forums preferred the Predator BK break cues and the one that OB makes. I think the price of each is in the range of $400.
I was going to buy one of those and then the owner of my pool hall let me try out the break cues he had and I ended up buying one of his for $115. It's made by Action and is a break/jump. It works great and I'm really glad I didn't spend the $400 on one of the other cues.
Good luck!
1. A light break cue is good because you maximize your break speed.
2. A heavier cue is good because it adds power to your break.
I think it's just a matter of preference at that point.
Most people on the forums preferred the Predator BK break cues and the one that OB makes. I think the price of each is in the range of $400.
I was going to buy one of those and then the owner of my pool hall let me try out the break cues he had and I ended up buying one of his for $115. It's made by Action and is a break/jump. It works great and I'm really glad I didn't spend the $400 on one of the other cues.
Good luck!
^ Add Mezz Power Break cues to those two and you have the top3 high end break cues used by the masses. Of course there Tiger etc. that are really good cues, but quite as wellknown.
I have a Players J/B myself and it works great for me. 14mm shaft feels a bit thick, but its the only downside I can tell. Jumps easy, breaks hard. Costs 110€, so its affordable too.
I have a Players J/B myself and it works great for me. 14mm shaft feels a bit thick, but its the only downside I can tell. Jumps easy, breaks hard. Costs 110€, so its affordable too.
I have an Alex Brick break cue that's very good.
I also can not say good enough things about the Pechauer breaker.
They're also amazing. That's definitely the one I'd get if I wasn't using the Brick.
karlwittner
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most say predator and ob but are they really alot better than the rest or is it the name predator/ob that make people say they are the best.
ElCorazonFrio
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Best?
House cue.
Why?
Costs you nothing.
I have a theory...if you can't break well with any cue, a break cue won't help you enough to justify carrying it around.
If you can break well, a break cue may help, but what are you willing to spend for it?
House cue.
Why?
Costs you nothing.
I have a theory...if you can't break well with any cue, a break cue won't help you enough to justify carrying it around.
If you can break well, a break cue may help, but what are you willing to spend for it?
karlwittner
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iv got the special edition 17 predator made by pechauer and its a quality cue, ill have to check his break cues out. thanks
I think the name has more to do with it than most people will say. If those sticks truly are "better", it's marginal. And a serious case can be made for "good but not worth the pricetag". My opinion. Sony makes good TVs, but you sure pay alot for the name too.
Best break cue in my opinion is the samsara jump/break. It's balance, weight and combination of the samsara break tip is perfect for me.. I love it... And sense I've got mine from jazznpool 3 close friends of mine that play have got them as well after they broke with mine a few times. It has plenty of control with a moderate break speed. And you can also crush it with everything you got but you'll lose some control with any break cue doing that. If you get a chance try one out and I'm sure you'll buy one.
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Yes and No
Weight should be determined by finding out what is the heaviest cue that you can swing at the fastest speed your muscles will allow.
Example:
I can stroke a 21oz cue at 25mph, but I've stroked a 19oz cue at 28mph. If I could stroke a 21oz cue at 28mph, I will have effectively transferred more energy (power) than the 19oz cue.
I find, by adjusting the weight of my cue, I can control my break speed. However, there is a point of diminishing returns. Eventually I will have a cue so heavy, that I start losing speed (20-21oz is my point of diminishing returns). I'm used to breaking my with playing cue and do very well controlling the cue ball at 22-23mph.
Edit -
I'm not even going to begin to get into cue tip composition. I'll leave that to Dr. Dave, who explained everything to me, in a thread a while back.
Yeah it's all (mass x velocity). Stick weight multiplied by stick's linear speed at impact. Highest product wins.
I'm a smaller guy and swing an 18 oz. J&J that I bought for $30 to the tune of about 21 mph break speed. I've personally found equipment changes haven't helped me improve very much so it's hard for me to justify spending any additional money for a Predator/OB/whatever because it won't help. So I work on my stroke mechanics to improve the break.
My opinion, tons of good sticks out there. The far more important question to be answered is which stick is most effective for you personally.
I'm a smaller guy and swing an 18 oz. J&J that I bought for $30 to the tune of about 21 mph break speed. I've personally found equipment changes haven't helped me improve very much so it's hard for me to justify spending any additional money for a Predator/OB/whatever because it won't help. So I work on my stroke mechanics to improve the break.
My opinion, tons of good sticks out there. The far more important question to be answered is which stick is most effective for you personally.
ElCorazonFrio
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No, no it isn't.
Vball = [(2 x Mass of cue)/(Mass of cue + Mass of ball)] x Velocity of cue
Ultimately, power is a function of cue ball speed at the moment of rack impact A cue can either produce more speed or it cannot.
I think ultimately, a quality break relies more on how squarely the cue ball contacts the head ball and how well the balls are racked, but that's a different conversation because those things all happen after the break stick has done its job.
Theoretically:
- A lighter cue should allow you to stroke faster, producing more "swing speed", and hence more cue ball speed.
- A heavier cue has more mass behind the hit, meaning you will not generate as much swing speed as a lighter cue, and hence less cue ball speed.
The problem in answering this question is that both swing speed and mass matter. At the extreme, you could hit a cue ball with a feather with extreme speed, but there isn't enough mass to propel the cue ball forward. On the other hand, you could hit one with a sledgehammer, but your swing speed would be so slow as to limit cue ball speed. So obviously, the answer is somewhere in the middle.
So, to answer the question, the best break stick is the one that provides the following:
1) Consistent delivery of the cue stick to the center of the cue ball with the maximum possible swing speed.
2) Highest transfer of that swing speed (and the mass behind it) to cue ball speed.
(For the record, I would love someone who understands physics better than I do to weigh in on this a little more scientifically)
These factors will vary for each individual, so in other words, "it depends".
Personally, I prefer a break cue that is the same weight as my playing cue (both are 19oz). I could probably generate a little bit more speed with a lighter cue, but I think I would sacrifice the confidence in my swing.
As for actual brands, I've been very happy with my Players PureX break/jump. It hits great and costs about half of the pricier OB and BKs.
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This topic is extremely subjective, there is no definite answer as it will vary between person to person. The best break cue is the one that you're most comfortable with.
However, without a doubt that the most commonly used brands (within this forum anyway) are the Predator BK series, Mezz Power Break series and the recently introduced OB Rift cue with the option of Speed and/or Control Break shaft. The next important thing you'd have to consider is what tip to use. A lot of members here praise the Samsara Hard leather break tip (most recommended), Taom break tip, White diamond break tip etc.
When I first purchased my Predator BK3, it came with a phenolic tip and I didn't like the feel and hit at all. I looked up the forums here on what people recommended and I ended up installing a Samsara break tip. My breaks have improved significantly since. The hits felt more like a punch rather than a slap to the cue ball.
However, without a doubt that the most commonly used brands (within this forum anyway) are the Predator BK series, Mezz Power Break series and the recently introduced OB Rift cue with the option of Speed and/or Control Break shaft. The next important thing you'd have to consider is what tip to use. A lot of members here praise the Samsara Hard leather break tip (most recommended), Taom break tip, White diamond break tip etc.
When I first purchased my Predator BK3, it came with a phenolic tip and I didn't like the feel and hit at all. I looked up the forums here on what people recommended and I ended up installing a Samsara break tip. My breaks have improved significantly since. The hits felt more like a punch rather than a slap to the cue ball.
If you can stroke a *cue* at 28 mph, you, sir, have the hardest break in the world by a huge margin. If on the other hand you can hit your cue *ball* at that speed, then nice job, that's still a very respectable break speed.
KMRUNOUT
Please explain.
In order for the cue ball to move at 28mph, something must be moving at a similar speed to transfer the energy to the cue ball. That doesn't even factor in air resistance.
Do you honestly believe an object moving at a slow speed can transfer enough energy to another object, that it would collide and rebound at a higher speed?