is jayson shaw overrated?

[JB Cases]

and lou would definitely rob you

Ok. Guess we will never know since he won't get off the porch.

wasn't a wise business decision though now was it?

Who knows? The last two years have been the best ever for JB Cases and the 10k was a tiny fraction of my sales. So who knows what 50,000 views over six months was worth.

yeah those lovely cases from china

Thank you they are lovely. Would you like to see some of them?

 

[PINKLADY]

Thank you they are lovely. Would you like to see some of them?

well played.
what he doesn't know is that "Made in Italy" comes from China, too.
EDIT: Italy is now starting to produce in Africa. shhh!

 

[Ron Swanson]

John will bet though. Twice, in fact.

Well once, actually, and less than once if you count the monster crawfish at the event, which you should.

There have been all sorts of dumb publicity stunts since the beginning of time. No need to give credit to them.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Ok. Guess we will never know since he won't get off the porch.



Who knows? The last two years have been the best ever for JB Cases and the 10k was a tiny fraction of my sales. So who knows what 50,000 views over six months was worth.



Thank you they are lovely. Would you like to see some of them?

Do people actually buy those monstrosities?

 

[lfigueroa]

Ok. Guess we will never know since he won't get off the porch.

(My house doesn't have a porch.) I said I would play you for $10k any time during a six week period and you crawfished.

Who knows? The last two years have been the best ever for JB Cases and the 10k was a tiny fraction of my sales. So who knows what 50,000 views over six months was worth.

You kvetched about how hard doing the SBE was on you.

After I beat you in NJ -- while Mike, Dustin, and I were enjoying a steak dinner -- we did some back-of-the-napkin calculations and figured out that you worked the Expo all week *for us.*

Good business call, Einstein.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

Lou Figueroa

I made $48,000 at SBE. Karen had $17,000 in cash in her purse on top of the 7k I posted. The following two weeks we made another $18,000 on the road.

The day you won we drove to NYC and I played Earl Strickland in a weekly tournament.

Since we played I have been around the country and made hundreds of thousands. Spending 10k on a match with you with a 6 month leadup was cheaper than buying advertising space.

So I don't know....maybe it wasn't a good business decision but the fact is that it doesn't matter because my business is stronger than ever and throwing you a tip for my own entertainment was a drop in the bucket.

What's satisfying is that you only got a couple thousand if that. It took a group of you many years to finally step up.

Now you blew 20k opportunity. Guess you were right about someone being a "two-bit coward" if they didn't want to bet 20k.

But thanks.....the new 12 needle embroidery machine is going to make me a ton of money. That's a wise business decision.

 

[JB Cases]

Well once, actually, and less than once if you count the monster crawfish at the event, which you should.

There have been all sorts of dumb publicity stunts since the beginning of time. No need to give credit to them.

I said I would bet $10,000 and that's what I bet.

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[TheThaiger]

I made $48,000 at SBE. Karen had $17,000 in cash in her purse on top of the 7k I posted. The following two weeks we made another $18,000 on the road.

The day you won we drove to NYC and I played Earl Strickland in a weekly tournament.

Since we played I have been around the country and made hundreds of thousands. Spending 10k on a match with you with a 6 month leadup was cheaper than buying advertising space.

So I don't know....maybe it wasn't a good business decision but the fact is that it doesn't matter because my business is stronger than ever and throwing you a tip for my own entertainment was a drop in the bucket.

What's satisfying is that you only got a couple thousand if that. It took a group of you many years to finally step up.

Now you blew 20k opportunity. Guess you were right about someone being a "two-bit coward" if they didn't want to bet 20k.

But thanks.....the new 12 needle embroidery machine is going to make me a ton of money. That's a wise business decision.

48 large? Bullshit.

 

[lfigueroa]

I made $48,000 at SBE. Karen had $17,000 in cash in her purse on top of the 7k I posted. The following two weeks we made another $18,000 on the road.

The day you won we drove to NYC and I played Earl Strickland in a weekly tournament.

Since we played I have been around the country and made hundreds of thousands. Spending 10k on a match with you with a 6 month leadup was cheaper than buying advertising space.

So I don't know....maybe it wasn't a good business decision but the fact is that it doesn't matter because my business is stronger than ever and throwing you a tip for my own entertainment was a drop in the bucket.

What's satisfying is that you only got a couple thousand if that. It took a group of you many years to finally step up.

Now you blew 20k opportunity. Guess you were right about someone being a "two-bit coward" if they didn't want to bet 20k.

But thanks.....the new 12 needle embroidery machine is going to make me a ton of money. That's a wise business decision.

$48K...

Sorry. My BS Meter just flipped out. You couldn't even cover a $100 side bet shouted out before the match.

Lou Figueroa
gonna have to have
the damn thing
recalibrate now

 

[lfigueroa]

I said I would bet $10,000 and that's what I bet.

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You said (repeatedly):

I will cover all bets up to $30K at the venue.

I have a $500 a game side bet with Lou's wife.

Guess what...?

Lou Figueroa

 

[SakuJack]

I said I would bet $10,000 and that's what I bet.

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Well we all know this isn't true.

The fact that you feel the need to talk about the money you supposedly made in the lead up to and off the back of your match with Lou, only says to me that the loss still stings, in spite of your implication that it doesn't.

And what has any of this got to do with the thread (not directed only at you, JB)?

 

[TheThaiger]

$48K...

Sorry. My BS Meter just flipped out. You couldn't even cover a $100 side bet shouted out before the match.

Lou Figueroa
gonna have to have
the damn thing
recalibrate now

Come come, Lou. Mrs B. wasn't running off to find Dennis spears, she was off to the bank.

 

[TheThaiger]

I have a $500 a game side bet with Lou's wife.

And many others.

 

[JB Cases]

Well we all know this isn't true.

The fact that you feel the need to talk about the money you supposedly made in the lead up to and off the back of your match with Lou, only says to me that the loss still stings, in spite of your implication that it doesn't.

And what has any of this got to do with the thread (not directed only at you, JB)?

Of course the loss stings but not because of the money.



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[lfigueroa]

Well we all know this isn't true.

The fact that you feel the need to talk about the money you supposedly made in the lead up to and off the back of your match with Lou, only says to me that the loss still stings, in spite of your implication that it doesn't.

And what has any of this got to do with the thread (not directed only at you, JB)?

I apologize for the hijack.

John, do me a favor and leave me out of your ravings.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

,

$48K...

Sorry. My BS Meter just flipped out. You couldn't even cover a $100 side bet shouted out before the match.

Lou Figueroa
gonna have to have
the damn thing
recalibrate now

Well..... Guess that's why I just offered to freeze up 20k in advance.... But you won't get off the porch...so now poolplaya1796 won't get to see you torch me.



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[JB Cases]

You said (repeatedly):

I will cover all bets up to $30K at the venue.

I have a $500 a game side bet with Lou's wife.

Guess what...?

Lou Figueroa

And I changed my mind and bet the 10k we agreed to. Guess you should have called my offer to double that bet the four times I made it in the two months prior to the match.

Sorry you went through all that for only a few grand. But thanks for playing. Should I send the tax form only in your name or do you want to provide a list. I can't believe that I forgot to give it to you so you can declare it as income.

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[JB Cases]

I apologize for the hijack.

John, do me a favor and leave me out of your ravings.

Lou Figueroa

Sorry wasn't me who mentioned you. Direct your commands at the op.

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[JB Cases]

Well we all know this isn't true.

The fact that you feel the need to talk about the money you supposedly made in the lead up to and off the back of your match with Lou, only says to me that the loss still stings, in spite of your implication that it doesn't.

And what has any of this got to do with the thread (not directed only at you, JB)?

What it looks like to site visitors when haters troll me instead of staying on topic

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[Alex Kanapilly]

I saw a few of jayson's matches this past week and while he is a great shotmaker I see a lot of flaws in his game. I think his safety game is quite weak and has an inability mentally that he tilts very easy. souquet never has an emotional reaction to anything. shaw, on the other hand, gets mad easily and it really affects his game. I think he has a lot of firepower and a lot of pluses to his game but the negatives are keeping him from being among the top few best. he was cruising in the winner's bracket and before you knew it ralf beat him double hill and he is gone to get in 5th/6th place. I truly believe anything less than first or second was a disappointing result considering he was undefeated with 12 players left. anyone else feel this way about shaw?

I've read most of this thread and while I don't agree with the OP in his choice of words (I don't agree that his safety game is "quite weak" for example), I think I agree with his overall sentiment in that JS has a slightly "looser" game than the very very best. If you watch his style vs. some of those other top guys, it's more natural than technical. The talent is undeniable but he's not methodical and disciplined like the other guys (say Shane or Bergman for example).

IF he wanted to, I think he could add a bit of discipline to his game by working with a good coach and get to the top of the heap. I don't think he should get too far away from his natural style but it could make a big difference in tournament performances if he could find a way to eliminate that one extra mistake he seems to make every now and again. At the level he's playing at, that's all it takes.

My opinion is based only on watching him play in the Bergman match and the US Open, I don't know the guy. I started paying attention to him recently when a friend came back from an extended east coast visit and couldn't stop talking about him. I truly think he might be the most talented player out there right now and I really enjoy watching him play.