Really bad rolls indicate poor planning for the most part.
Should Pros complain about bad rolls?
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"That guy got more rolls than a bread truck."
The same complaint phenomena occurs in BlackJack. Someone makes a stupid play (e.g. hitting a hard 17), and the dealer draws to a 21. The table blames the guy that made the stupid play. But they don't realize it all balances out. 50% of the time a stupid play will hurt someone else and 50% of the time a stupid play will help someone else. But everyone forgets those times they were helped; they won because of their genius.
The same complaint phenomena occurs in BlackJack. Someone makes a stupid play (e.g. hitting a hard 17), and the dealer draws to a 21. The table blames the guy that made the stupid play. But they don't realize it all balances out. 50% of the time a stupid play will hurt someone else and 50% of the time a stupid play will help someone else. But everyone forgets those times they were helped; they won because of their genius.
And the number of "rolls" Deuel got against Van Den Berg yesterday... let's not forget about that, or the 9 ball that Van Boening slopped in.
It really goes both ways. I'd love to see someone calculate all the bad and good rolls for each team and tally them up.
It really goes both ways. I'd love to see someone calculate all the bad and good rolls for each team and tally them up.
and then do it for the past 5+ Mosconi cups, and I would be pretty sure it would be even.
Thin like between Love and Hate.
I see reason why someone can't complain about "an unfortunate roll" which is how it should be called, a bad roll is when something else gets involved, like piece of chalk or magic rack. Not because they happen in my favor sometimes means that I have to like when it happens to me, if I feel as though the roll affected the outcome or possible outcome of the match you bet i'm going to voice and especially if I also feel that they happened less from me and more towards me.
Total difference from making an excuse IMO
I see reason why someone can't complain about "an unfortunate roll" which is how it should be called, a bad roll is when something else gets involved, like piece of chalk or magic rack. Not because they happen in my favor sometimes means that I have to like when it happens to me, if I feel as though the roll affected the outcome or possible outcome of the match you bet i'm going to voice and especially if I also feel that they happened less from me and more towards me.
Total difference from making an excuse IMO
Good rolls and bad rolls will even out over time. Not necessarily in a race to 5 though. So, either side, can "complain" about bad rolls in a short race. It can decide the winner of that match.
They go both ways, it's convenient for those of us rooting for USA to forget about the 3ball Dechaine missed in the corner day 1 that went 2 rails in the opposite corner and then ran out for the win I believe. Or the 2 cueballs that have actually been up on the rail and didn't go off the table. I'd guess that over the whole tournament, the rolls even out in total, not necessarily per player though.
They go both ways, it's convenient for those of us rooting for USA to forget about the 3ball Dechaine missed in the corner day 1 that went 2 rails in the opposite corner and then ran out for the win I believe. Or the 2 cueballs that have actually been up on the rail and didn't go off the table. I'd guess that over the whole tournament, the rolls even out in total, not necessarily per player though.
I agree with the sentiment here, but I just want to point out that good and bad rolls don't even out - that's the gambler's fallacy.
Hmmmmm. I think it's just easy to forget about all the good rolls. What I often notice when I get a "bad" roll is that it's usually after I have screwed up in some way. So had I not dogged an out, the bad roll wouldn't have mattered in my game/match.
I think SVB would have had valid reason to complain about the rolls Ko got in the World 9 Ball Championship finals.
In the 1950's and '60's there was a French billiard player named Roger Conti, several times three-cushion and balkline champion. He did a lot for instruction in the game. I read his book many years ago and was astonished to learn from him that, in his view, there is NO SUCH THING as a "bad roll" in pool and billiards. EVERYTHING that happens on a billiard table is predictable, and the player should have foreseen it. If he didn't, then he just didn't think far enough ahead and deeply into the shot.
I suspect that Arthur "Babe" Cranfield would have agreed with that position.
I suspect that Arthur "Babe" Cranfield would have agreed with that position.
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What is irritating is they complain about rolls and bad luck when their opponent jumps or kick and they get safe. It is like their opponent must have bad luck and sell out giving them open shot. If their opponent does not sell out, then their opponent is lucky
I mean they should be thankful that their opponent let them get back to table
LOL
What is irritating is they complain about rolls and bad luck when their opponent jumps or kick and they get safe. It is like their opponent must have bad luck and sell out giving them open shot. If their opponent does not sell out, then their opponent is lucky
I mean they should be thankful that their opponent let them get back to table
LOL
Exactly my thoughts! Considering his experience, his words are mind boggling!
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What is irritating is they complain about rolls and bad luck when their opponent jumps or kick and they get safe. It is like their opponent must have bad luck and sell out giving them open shot. If their opponent does not sell out, then their opponent is lucky
I mean they should be thankful that their opponent let them get back to table
LOL
I know right? It's like "Hey, I had you in a safe! I am entitled to a BIH! How dare you instead playing a resafe???"
Excuse me for breathing mister lol smh
I appreciate you and Bank It posting, I sense a lot of experience.
When you're in a money session, and it's all going the other way, you have to strive to
change the dynamics.....it's going the wrong way for a reason.
I ran a popular 6-red snooker tournament in the 80s...this one guy had my number.
I had to give him 8 points....it felt like the spot should've been reversed...
...he beat me 12 matches in a row...3 of them were finals.
I used to look forward to drawing him....it became my project.
At last I beat him in a final....a skunk....he called me when he got home.
He said "I just realized, that's the first match I ever played, where I didn't get a chance to
actually play a ball in."
The dynamics changed after that....I won a lot in a row.
I think players have a perfect right to complain about the rolls.....
...as soon as the balls start going where they didn't hit them...
And wishing your opponent hard luck when it is not your shot...
...is a weakness that will get you broke.
