Get rid of jump cues for Mosconi Cup

one stroke said:
That's excatly correct not one viewer would not watch if they took jump cues out of the match

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Right, but the FACT is that jump shots have figured prominently in the excitement and drama at the MC for the past 20 years.

People like them. People understand that it's a tough shot and especially in the MC a BIG shot every time a jump shot has to be taken.
 
one stroke said:
He basicly has taken credit for the Asian jumping revolution by bringing the first 500 jump cues there
I don't know how anyone can think he is a unbiased opinion

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No, that credit belongs to Fong Pong Chao as far as I know. I don't know for sure but I think he was the first top Taiwanese player to bring a cue like the Bunjee Jumper to Taiwan. About a month after he bought one I got an order for 500 of them for Taiwan. Since then they have easily copied the Bunjee and made tens of thousands of them if not more.

Why are you all hung up on whether an opinion is unbiased or not? Reading the anti-jumping responses here shows some major bias, most of it backed by nothing more than openly declared hatred rather than facts.

I mean I could possibly understand you if all my responses were basically, "I like jump cues" with no facts to support their use. But that's not what I do. I have provided facts to refute every single objection.

And apparently those who made the rules 20 years ago agree with me as well because I highly doubt they debated the rule based on like/dislike and instead looked at the benefits.
 
Jump cues are not the problem.
The Mosconi format should be:
- 10 ball
- 10 ft table
- Call shot, call safe
- No shot clock
 
JB Cases said:
No, that credit belongs to Fong Pong Chao as far as I know. I don't know for sure but I think he was the first top Taiwanese player to bring a cue like the Bunjee Jumper to Taiwan. About a month after he bought one I got an order for 500 of them for Taiwan. Since then they have easily copied the Bunjee and made tens of thousands of them if not more.

Why are you all hung up on whether an opinion is unbiased or not? Reading the anti-jumping responses here shows some major bias, most of it backed by nothing more than openly declared hatred rather than facts.

I mean I could possibly understand you if all my responses were basically, "I like jump cues" with no facts to support their use. But that's not what I do. I have provided facts to refute every single objection.

And apparently those who made the rules 20 years ago agree with me as well because I highly doubt they debated the rule based on like/dislike and instead looked at the benefits.
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I'm not hung up on your opinion . I take it at face value
Actualy the only facts you have is the fact that they are allowed
You other points about the equiptment reall hold no water when we are discussing modern pool as we know it
I Yes grasping at straws for ways to make the game more viewer friendly they tried to add some excitement by adding jump cues
The idea was lipstick on a pig
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JB. Considering that you used to market and sell jump cues and the fact that more equipment drives case sales do you not think you are less than objective on the topic?

Mind you at times I believe that you would fight with a Orange on what it's color (colour for us Canadians) would be.


Regards

Nick B
 
JB Cases said:
Right, but the FACT is that jump shots have figured prominently in the excitement and drama at the MC for the past 20 years.

People like them. People understand that it's a tough shot and especially in the MC a BIG shot every time a jump shot has to be taken.
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Plenty of big shots that did not involve a jump cue


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JB Cases said:
In 9 ball under ball in hand rules jump shots are needed. I doubt Matchroom really cares but if they were asked - and keep in mind they can make whatever rules they want to - I am 99% sure that they would opt to keep them because of the excitement and drama that jump shots bring. And since jump cues allow so many more opportunities to jump I think that they would be fine with jump cues staying part of the Mosconi Cup.

Snooker is way different in that there is no requirement to contact a rail after contact and often more than one ball to shoot at. In rotation games the shooter has only one ball that must be contacted and penalty for not making a legal hit is severe.
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I wish you'd make up your mind. Your circular logic is incredible.

You've said many times that kicking is easier than jumping. So, why is a jump cue necessary if kicking is so easy? Many of you have said it - "kicking is easier than jumping". John, if this is the case, then the jump cue is unnecessary.

Playing with a leather tipped cue is easier than playing with a mace. So I play with a leather tipped cue. I use a rake to shoot long shots because it's easier than stretching. I use chalk and siding, because it's easier than using no chalk and using centre ball on everything. I like the diamonds because it makes kicking and banking easier.

Kicking is easier than jumping. Right? Therefore, no need for a jump cue. Otherwise, John, if you're truly trying to challenge yourself by playing the toughest shots possible, start playing with a mace, no chalk, no rakes, no diamonds, and a jump cue. Truly challenge yourself.

Or just admit that kicking is harder than jumping, and that's why most of you like the jump cue.
 
As long as jump shots are a legal shot then jump cues should be legal. I use one and I like them, I don't use one on my home table I have a house rule that you have to kick but that's just to force practice with kicks. I see a bigger problem with magic racks but that's for another thread. The problem is that pool has no real governing body to control things and some people allow them and some don't and there is no way to regulate that. I don't think it's right for leagues or tournaments to ban them if they are ok with the WPA or BCA. I also think there should only be one set of rules for pool and not a million like we have now.


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Shawn Armstrong said:
I wish you'd make up your mind. Your circular logic is incredible.

You've said many times that kicking is easier than jumping. So, why is a jump cue necessary if kicking is so easy? Many of you have said it - "kicking is easier than jumping". John, if this is the case, then the jump cue is unnecessary.

Playing with a leather tipped cue is easier than playing with a mace. So I play with a leather tipped cue. I use a rake to shoot long shots because it's easier than stretching. I use chalk and siding, because it's easier than using no chalk and using centre ball on everything. I like the diamonds because it makes kicking and banking easier.

Kicking is easier than jumping. Right? Therefore, no need for a jump cue. Otherwise, John, if you're truly trying to challenge yourself by playing the toughest shots possible, start playing with a mace, no chalk, no rakes, no diamonds, and a jump cue. Truly challenge yourself.

Or just admit that kicking is harder than jumping, and that's why most of you like the jump cue.
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Kicking is easier when it comes to simply making a legal hit. Are you even paying attention?

However, a smart player isn't always looking for the easiest option. No, they'll choose whichever option gives them the best chance of making the ball or getting safe.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Kicking is easier when it comes to simply making a legal hit. Are you even paying attention?

However, a smart player isn't always looking for the easiest option. No, they'll choose whichever option gives them the best chance of making the ball or getting safe.
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It's shot specific there's many shot I can line up and hit that you would no prayer of hitting with a kick

Unless the ball is sitting right in the pocket jumping give a much better chance at making its not even close that's why jump sticks have the market value they do

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Shawn Armstrong said:
I wish you'd make up your mind. Your circular logic is incredible.

You've said many times that kicking is easier than jumping. So, why is a jump cue necessary if kicking is so easy? Many of you have said it - "kicking is easier than jumping". John, if this is the case, then the jump cue is unnecessary.

Playing with a leather tipped cue is easier than playing with a mace. So I play with a leather tipped cue. I use a rake to shoot long shots because it's easier than stretching. I use chalk and siding, because it's easier than using no chalk and using centre ball on everything. I like the diamonds because it makes kicking and banking easier.

Kicking is easier than jumping. Right? Therefore, no need for a jump cue. Otherwise, John, if you're truly trying to challenge yourself by playing the toughest shots possible, start playing with a mace, no chalk, no rakes, no diamonds, and a jump cue. Truly challenge yourself.

Or just admit that kicking is harder than jumping, and that's why most of you like the jump cue.
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The kick is not always the best shot.

Dude, a three year old is on video kicking one, two and three rails. He can only jump over a shaft though right now. Maybe you should be the one evaluating your perspective.

I like the jump cue because it works awesomely for getting over obstructing balls and gives me another option alongside kicking and masse' to hit the object ball.
 
one stroke said:
Plenty of big shots that did not involve a jump cue


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um ok, so what? In races to five under that pressure there are lots of big shots.

But good JUMP shots get people going CRAZY. WILD, JUMPING out of their seats with excitement. Just the kind of thing a promoter wants to see for his event.

Like, SHOT OF THE TOURNAMENT levels of enthusiasm, players high fiving each other!

Jump cues not in the Mosconi Cup, not a chance.
 
JB Cases said:
um ok, so what? In races to five under that pressure there are lots of big shots.

But good JUMP shots get people going CRAZY. WILD, JUMPING out of their seats with excitement. Just the kind of thing a promoter wants to see for his event.

Like, SHOT OF THE TOURNAMENT levels of enthusiasm, players high fiving each other!

Jump cues not in the Mosconi Cup, not a chance.
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Yep the same way they cringe when a player goes for the jump when a well executed kick safe would not have sold the farm ,,


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JB Cases said:
The kick is not always the best shot.

Dude, a three year old is on video kicking one, two and three rails. He can only jump over a shaft though right now. Maybe you should be the one evaluating your perspective.

I like the jump cue because it works awesomely for getting over obstructing balls and gives me another option alongside kicking and masse' to hit the object ball.
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Options that players were not meant to have in the first place ,,


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Nick B said:
JB. Considering that you used to market and sell jump cues and the fact that more equipment drives case sales do you not think you are less than objective on the topic?

Mind you at times I believe that you would fight with a Orange on what it's color (colour for us Canadians) would be.


Regards

Nick B
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I guarantee I am MORE objective than anyone else in this thread. I am the one that has had to deal with all the negativity IN PERSON at shows and defend against it on the table with concrete examples for years.

I simply accept the facts as they are.

For example, you point to the hockey association and say they set specifications for the pads as an example of an association regulating the equipment and yet utterly fail to recognize that the World Pool Association, the Billiard Congress of America, and the Texas Express Tour all evaluated the jump cue and regulated it.

20 years ago. Fact. 1995.

Y'all are the ones trying to argue about the color of fruit as evidenced by the whining about the color of the orange even though the orange has been orange for a million years. The jump cue is part of the game, for good reason. Get over it.
 
one stroke said:
Options that players were not meant to have in the first place ,,


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Huh? The jump shot is a legal shot so you're upset because a PROFESSIONAL player figured out how to build a cue that is better for that shot?

No one made you the arbiter of what shots people should be allowed to take and what they should be barricaded from.

Jumping a ball over a blocking ball six inches away 8ft into a six inch target is an incredible shot that only a few people on the planet can make. Who are you to take that option away?

I am just going to keep going back to the fact that this topic has been put to bed by the associations that matter for more than 20 years. It's done. You can react and post another rebuttal and it won't change anything. We get it, you don't like jump cues and you probably hate them with even more venom since I am a vocal proponent for them.

As the saying goes, you can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts.
 
one stroke said:
Yep the same way they cringe when a player goes for the jump when a well executed kick safe would not have sold the farm ,,


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Who cringes? The Mosconi Cup crowd? Nah. They love it when the opposing team screws up and love it even more when their team makes a fantastic jump shot.
 
Jumping is still a skill, it would be foolish not to add it to your toolbox.
Whats next.. you cant use a certain aiming system...:)
 
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