New Game (T-Ball)

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I started thinking of a game that could allow a lot of back and forth (like one pocket), but not be as boring. Now I haven't actually tried this out yet, so it might actually be more boring :grin-square:

Posting about it now in case anyone wants to give it a try. I've thought of the basics, but nothing is set in stone. This won't be the next big thing, but I think it has potential to be fun.

The basics.


1. The balls are "racked" as shown in the diagram. The distance between the head ball (2 and 9 in the diagram) and the CB (1 and cue ball in the diagram) is about a chalk's width.

2. Players can flip, lag, or roshambo for the break.

3. 1st breaker (Player A) uses the actual cueball for his break. 2nd breaker (Player B) uses the one ball.

4. Player A's objective is to pot all 7 solids into either of the 2 corner pockets from the side he broke from. From the diagram's perspective, that would be the right side.

5. Player B must pot all 7 stripes into the other 2 corner pockets.

6. Most of one pocket's rules regarding fouls/balls pocketed in the wrong pocket can apply to this game.

7. You CANNOT directly hit your opponent's CB. If you do, it's a foul and you must spot a ball or owe one if there is none to be spotted.

8. If you pocket your opponent's CB, they have two choices. Place their CB at the original starting location and you must spot a ball. Or they can take ball in hand, and you don't have to spot a ball.


I'll add anything else I can think of, and am open to any suggestions.
 

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Looks like an interesting game. The only critizism I have is with spotting balls. Games that need balls spotted make them less likely to be played on coin-op bar tables. This makes it less likely to be played by the amature players. If you want a game to be popular it needs to be playable by the beginners, and you'd cut many players who come from the bars. BTW: most players I know go to play AND drink. You can see where I'm taking this point. Come to think of things, most pool halls/bars make their money not from renting the tables right?
 
Skratch said:
Looks like an interesting game. The only critizism I have is with spotting balls. Games that need balls spotted make them less likely to be played on coin-op bar tables. This makes it less likely to be played by the amature players. If you want a game to be popular it needs to be playable by the beginners, and you'd cut many players who come from the bars. BTW: most players I know go to play AND drink. You can see where I'm taking this point. Come to think of things, most pool halls/bars make their money not from renting the tables right?
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who asked about non players on child equipment? because you could say the exact same thing about one pocket.....and the look on my face and others would be "quiet, grown folks are talking....go play in the sandbox"

reminds me of the nit the other day who said one pockets too slow.....while i played my first ever league ruled scotch doubles event 8 ball and it was slower than a snail with broke foot....he then immideately says "next weeked i'm playing scotch tripples 8 ball"

i dont know who needed a bullet to the brain more at that point....myself or him....

never go full retard
 
greyghost said:
who asked about non players on child equipment? because you could say the exact same thing about one pocket.....and the look on my face and others would be "quiet, grown folks are talking....go play in the sandbox"

reminds me of the nit the other day who said one pockets too slow.....while i played my first ever league ruled scotch doubles event 8 ball and it was slower than a snail with broke foot....he then immideately says "next weeked i'm playing scotch tripples 8 ball"

i dont know who needed a bullet to the brain more at that point....myself or him....

never go full retard
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Yeah, i know what you mean, but if you don't include the masses, how can you it be said that this is a sport that anyone can play? I'm sure many players began their careers playing 1p, and on tournament prep'd 9ft tables. (jk). Anyway, my comment was just to point out the short coming of the format of this suggested game. Not that it wouldnt be fun and challenging. What do you think of his game?
 
1) The balls have to be frozen otherwise there is a game breaking (lol) break.

2) Is breaking rail first allowed?

3) Instead of spotting balls how about this? If you aren't allowed to make your own balls in the side pockets. But making your opponents makes them dead.

4) There has to be a rule about your balls going in your own pockets. Otherwise you can block them up. You cant rectify this by giving ball in hand to your opponent because then his goal is to shoot your opponents balls in their pocket instead.

5) Ball in hand is too strong in this game.

6) Because there are two cue balls, intentional fouls become hectic. With ball in hand being too strong you then have to figure out which cue ball or if both cueballs have to be moved. I say this because I could just kick one rail behind my opponents stack and give him ball in hand but my cueball is still in a very favorable position.
 
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I've searched the web....can't seem to find a rack for this game. :confused:
 
greyghost said:
who asked about non players on child equipment? because you could say the exact same thing about one pocket.....and the look on my face and others would be "quiet, grown folks are talking....go play in the sandbox"

reminds me of the nit the other day who said one pockets too slow.....while i played my first ever league ruled scotch doubles event 8 ball and it was slower than a snail with broke foot....he then immideately says "next weeked i'm playing scotch tripples 8 ball"

i dont know who needed a bullet to the brain more at that point....myself or him....

never go full retard
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Momma says "If you can't do something all the way don't bother doing it all."

Maybe just one cue ball. Put the eight on the center spot and it's dead until you make all of your group making it only a variation of eight ball which it basically is. Opening break behind the line opposite your group. Balls made in the side or your opponents pockets spot on the shot or on the end rail opposite your pockets, if you make the ball your choice inning over if your opponent makes the ball(on a legal shot of course) their choice inning over. If your opponent makes it on illegal shot your choice inning over.
 
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erhino41 said:
Momma says "If you can't do something all the way don't bother doing it all."

Maybe just one cue ball. Put the eight on the center spot and it's dead until you make all of your group making it only a variation of eight ball which it basically is. Opening break behind the line opposite your group. Balls made in the side or your opponents pockets spot on the shot or on the end rail opposite your pockets.
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Hmmm that might work. i plan on trying different things out tomorrow
 
Thinking about the break, maybe two seven ball racks, rack your own. One or two to a rail leaving the safety break as an option. Much easier to set up that way. I do like the idea have making any ball a good hit besides the eight. That gives you less ball in hand and not of the one pocket your moving around.
 
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Skratch said:
Looks like an interesting game. The only critizism I have is with spotting balls. Games that need balls spotted make them less likely to be played on coin-op bar tables. This makes it less likely to be played by the amature players. If you want a game to be popular it needs to be playable by the beginners, and you'd cut many players who come from the bars. BTW: most players I know go to play AND drink. You can see where I'm taking this point. Come to think of things, most pool halls/bars make their money not from renting the tables right?
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FWIW: The player using the 1 ball as a cue ball would be screwed on a scratch if using a bar table.
 
greyghost said:
who asked about non players on child equipment? because you could say the exact same thing about one pocket.....and the look on my face and others would be "quiet, grown folks are talking....go play in the sandbox"

reminds me of the nit the other day who said one pockets too slow.....while i played my first ever league ruled scotch doubles event 8 ball and it was slower than a snail with broke foot....he then immideately says "next weeked i'm playing scotch tripples 8 ball"

i dont know who needed a bullet to the brain more at that point....myself or him....

never go full retard
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Since I am a grown up, at least according to my age, I guess I better throw my 7' bar table away, its unfortunate because I have only had it for about 5 months now. Luckily I also have an adult size table too.
It is very difficult to find tournaments and leagues on 9' tables in some areas, the midwest being one of those areas. Almost all tournaments around here are on 7' tables, even the facilities that have 9' tables tend not to use the big track for tournaments. That is why I bought my child size table. I practice and play on my Gold Crown most of the time but if I have a tournament coming up on a 7' table I will practice on the little table for 2 weeks before the tournament. It helps quite a bit and its a practice I will continue as long as there is competition on 7' tables even if I am exiled from the adult table at holiday meals:eek::eek::eek::eek:.
 
greyghost said:
who asked about non players on child equipment? because you could say the exact same thing about one pocket.....and the look on my face and others would be "quiet, grown folks are talking....go play in the sandbox"

reminds me of the nit the other day who said one pockets too slow.....while i played my first ever league ruled scotch doubles event 8 ball and it was slower than a snail with broke foot....he then immideately says "next weeked i'm playing scotch tripples 8 ball"

i dont know who needed a bullet to the brain more at that point....myself or him....

never go full retard
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I just wanted to comment one more thing along the lines of 1P. I love the game, but I have trouble finding someone else who plays it in my area, and the time it takes to play the game (with no shot time limit). It is a game of patience and most people who play, even the good players, have trouble with this. It certainly is not a favorite game among the lesser skilled players, hence its lack of popularity. So my suggestion for the OP is that if he wants to invent a new game, that those things should be kept in mind. Simple considerations like the fact the Spotting balls can be problematic in some tables. Bonus ball is another example of an idea not thought out enough. Who really wants to buy a different set of balls for the game? 7Ball was a nice game, but we already had 9ball. I like 10ball better these days, but again, not very popular in my area. To summarize, If you're going to come up with a new game, you have to make it as popular to all level of situations and players, even the nits!
 
fastone371 said:
Since I am a grown up, at least according to my age, I guess I better throw my 7' bar table away, its unfortunate because I have only had it for about 5 months now. Luckily I also have an adult size table too.
It is very difficult to find tournaments and leagues on 9' tables in some areas, the midwest being one of those areas. Almost all tournaments around here are on 7' tables, even the facilities that have 9' tables tend not to use the big track for tournaments. That is why I bought my child size table. I practice and play on my Gold Crown most of the time but if I have a tournament coming up on a 7' table I will practice on the little table for 2 weeks before the tournament. It helps quite a bit and its a practice I will continue as long as there is competition on 7' tables even if I am exiled from the adult table at holiday meals:eek::eek::eek::eek:.
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Yeah, I've been noticing a trend with Newer pool halls these days. They are usually 7' or 8' tables with only a couple of 9's Plus these places are not space very well btwn tables. The atmosphere is normal, but these newer halls are not really fun for the better players, unless they're hustlin'
 
Skratch said:
I just wanted to comment one more thing along the lines of 1P. I love the game, but I have trouble finding someone else who plays it in my area, and the time it takes to play the game (with no shot time limit). It is a game of patience and most people who play, even the good players, have trouble with this. It certainly is not a favorite game among the lesser skilled players, hence its lack of popularity. So my suggestion for the OP is that if he wants to invent a new game, that those things should be kept in mind. Simple considerations like the fact the Spotting balls can be problematic in some tables. Bonus ball is another example of an idea not thought out enough. Who really wants to buy a different set of balls for the game? 7Ball was a nice game, but we already had 9ball. I like 10ball better these days, but again, not very popular in my area. To summarize, If you're going to come up with a new game, you have to make it as popular to all level of situations and players, even the nits!
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no....no you dont....this isn't a democracy. a man can invent any game he likes. some one may have said the same bs to hayden lingo
 
fastone371 said:
Since I am a grown up, at least according to my age, I guess I better throw my 7' bar table away, its unfortunate because I have only had it for about 5 months now. Luckily I also have an adult size table too.
It is very difficult to find tournaments and leagues on 9' tables in some areas, the midwest being one of those areas. Almost all tournaments around here are on 7' tables, even the facilities that have 9' tables tend not to use the big track for tournaments. That is why I bought my child size table. I practice and play on my Gold Crown most of the time but if I have a tournament coming up on a 7' table I will practice on the little table for 2 weeks before the tournament. It helps quite a bit and its a practice I will continue as long as there is competition on 7' tables even if I am exiled from the adult table at holiday meals:eek::eek::eek::eek:.
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due to the popularity of the game there with so many league player and tournaments in general in the MW for time constraints and cost of space thats why you see the local and such on BB and most reginal events like the WD event with 128 players.....cant do that in 2 or 3 days on 6 9fts. So i get it, they have their place. But in their own little way they stifle learning, but thats also a result of much league play for many.

again grey area....many things like that which i say should be taken wisely with a grain of salt.....but still burn all the bar boxes! lol

maybe if they switched back to less tables but bigger and better ones and the lines were longer......the cream would rise.
;)
 
Skratch said:
Yeah, I've been noticing a trend with Newer pool halls these days. They are usually 7' or 8' tables with only a couple of 9's Plus these places are not space very well btwn tables. The atmosphere is normal, but these newer halls are not really fun for the better players, unless they're hustlin'
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this is the reason you see so many players side stepping into the shot and nut hugging tables and never learning to get perfectly straint in on the shot....you can do that on the baby bed...not very effective on big equipment
 
greyghost said:
no....no you dont....this isn't a democracy. a man can invent any game he likes. some one may have said the same bs to hayden lingo
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I agree with the freedom, what Im refering to is why make a game that not many will play? Again, im not trying to stop him from suggesting a format of a game. I'm just pointing out a shortfall.
 
Skratch said:
I agree with the freedom, what Im refering to is why make a game that not many will play? Again, im not trying to stop him from suggesting a format of a game. I'm just pointing out a shortfall.
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I'll be the first to admit my game is far from perfect, and definitely has it's share of shortfalls. However, spotting balls isn't one of them. 1P is extremely popular, more so than you give it credit for. Another cue spot that's even more popular, snooker, has balls spotted every other shot. Not only is it impossible to create something that will appeal to every single person, it's also completely unnecessary.

You know what was wildly successful when I was a kid. The EZ Bake Oven, but there wasn't a single boy on the block who owned one. If only they made the oven in Jet Black with flames on the side...
 
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