Does shimming fix Accufast pocket rejection?

[Angle Detective]

I'm thinking about whether to go with Accufast or Artemis cushions if the Big G table I'm buying needs new rubber. I plan to ask the table mechanic to at least single-shim the pockets when installing new cloth. I like the idea of cushions that never need replacing, but I've read that the Accu-fast cushions are soft and balls rattle in pockets easily.

Also, what is the lifespan of Artemis cushions?

Thanks

 

[Angle Detective]

I just read a bunch of threads, and it looks like the consensus is that Artemis K66 are the best out there. On their website they claim to be full gum rubber. I saw a video of an Olhausen dealer claiming the Accufast cushions are the only ones out that are all gum rubber. If the Artemis is going to last, I'll go with that.

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

I'm thinking about whether to go with Accufast or Artemis cushions if the Big G table I'm buying needs new rubber. I plan to ask the table mechanic to at least single-shim the pockets when installing new cloth. I like the idea of cushions that never need replacing, but I've read that the Accu-fast cushions are soft and balls rattle in pockets easily.

Also, what is the lifespan of Artemis cushions?

Thanks

Olhausens dont rattle balls because of the fusion they rattle because of the pocket angles just like any double/tripple shimmed Gold Crown. IF the pocket angles are adjust to play more fairly then any fusion work payed for will result in wasted money and an unhappy table owner. Before spending good money on fusion replacement, do some research here and you will see there is more to it than jus gluing new rubber on.

>>>>>>>>> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=347493&highlight=death+rattle <<<<<<<<<<<<

 

[Angle Detective]

Olhausens dont rattle balls because of the fusion they rattle because of the pocket angles just like any double/tripple shimmed Gold Crown. IF the pocket angles are adjust to play more fairly then any fusion work payed for will result in wasted money and an unhappy table owner. Before spending good money on fusion replacement, do some research here and you will see there is more to it than jus gluing new rubber on.

>>>>>>>>> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=347493&highlight=death+rattle <<<<<<<<<<<<

Can pocket angles on a Gandy Big G be altered with new cushion rubber, or would subrail and rail work be necessary as well? I also don't know what to expect from a stock Big G as far as pocket angles and openings go.

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

Yes, you could alter the pocket angle with the new cushions. But it wouldn't give you the outcome you would want! There is a right way to do things and then there is what i call everybody else way. Which is do it any way but the right way. There are several mechanics on this Forum that can do what you are asking. Here are two facts that I have come to realize when it comes to table work.

1. You get what you pay for!

2. Always ask for references and if you can play on examples of their work.

 

[Angle Detective]

Yes, you could alter the pocket angle with the new cushions. But it wouldn't give you the outcome you would want! There is a right way to do things and then there is what i call everybody else way. Which is do it any way but the right way. There are several mechanics on this Forum that can do what you are asking. Here are two facts that I have come to realize when it comes to table work.

1. You get what you pay for!

2. Always ask for references and if you can play on examples of their work.

Great advice. Thanks!

 

[groundthing]

I just got a great deal on a 8' Gandy G, the table had been climate controlled since new and had never been re-clothed (its mint no issues). The coushins feed good, my plan is to pull the original facings and shim with a 1/4" shim to slightly tighten the wide pockets for now( I know this is not the best method). I am really looking onto doing sub-rail extensions after I feel out how the table plays. I feel i have a tight grasp on how to acomplish the task but my question is when the extension is added is it necesary to change the bevel or taper on the face angle?? My guess is that there is probably a point in which the contact area that you would want the pocketing ball to hit the face on a rail shot for perfect playability. If there is such a measurement or angle that works best (and does that angle change the tighter you make a pocket?) that is the information that would be of most interest to me.

Thanks
Steven H
Eastern Shore MD

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

I just got a great deal on a 8' Gandy G, the table had been climate controlled since new and had never been re-clothed (its mint no issues). The coushins feed good, my plan is to pull the original facings and shim with a 1/4" shim to slightly tighten the wide pockets for now( I know this is not the best method). I am really looking onto doing sub-rail extensions after I feel out how the table plays. I feel i have a tight grasp on how to acomplish the task but my question is when the extension is added is it necesary to change the bevel or taper on the face angle?? My guess is that there is probably a point in which the contact area that you would want the pocketing ball to hit the face on a rail shot for perfect playability. If there is such a measurement or angle that works best (and does that angle change the tighter you make a pocket?) that is the information that would be of most interest to me.

Thanks
Steven H
Eastern Shore MD[/
Short answer is YES, because there is always room for improvement. To what I can't say I am sure there are a couple mechanics here that will either do the work, or offer advice on best way to go about it.