Stevie Moore parallel shots CTE video

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I think you might be missing the significance of the stroke adjustment. If we look at this objectively, without any predisposed opinions, you can't help but wonder if the shot is made BECAUSE OF the stroke correction/swoop motion. I've seen shots on video that absolutely would not have been made without the correction. Does that mean CTE isn't working and is no good? I'm not sure, maybe maybe not, but it seems to me that you are coming from a position that CTE works exactly as advertised, and so any swoop is only going to make you less successful. That's backwards thinking.

Backhand and fronthand english will make the ball.go dead straight......but not to where it would appear it should be going
Jason
 
Even if it is "mud slinging" (which as much as I read these flame wars, it isn't) Yelling and bickering only discredit's the image of CTE further.

To an outsider, it looks like normal people asking normal questions, and fanatics jumping down peoples throats. All it does is alienate people. No one's going to go yeah, well if he's willing to challenge this guy to 1000$ races, maybe there is something to this system.

I'm just saying "they started it first" is not a valid reason to make CTE look worse than it already does.

Have some integrity people.

Answer what you can, admit you don't know what you don't know and always be polite. It's common sense...I think...


Sir, this is war!!!! Facts, opinions, proof, conjecture, BS, is what we live and die with. Listening to the other side will never happen and the thought of you suggesting that:mad: HOW DARE YOU!!!!

LOL. Just funnin you
Jason
 
Sir, this is war!!!! Facts, opinions, proof, conjecture, BS, is what we live and die with. Listening to the other side will never happen and the thought of you suggesting that:mad: HOW DARE YOU!!!!

LOL. Just funnin you
Jason


I'm just saying we all have indoor plumbing and no one has to squat to shit:p Life is good.

One love.
 
OK Stan. Why pussy foot around? We both post $100,000 cash in the hands of someone we both trust, winner takes all, and here is the bet:

While demonstrating CTE on more than one occasion, has Stan made his initial alignment, got down on the shot, taken a practice swing along the alignment, but then during the final stroke deviated from that alignment to bring the cue forward in a different direction to pocket the ball successfully?
I'll understand if you want to clarify some of the terms so there is no wiggle room.

You up for it?

I'll bet $1,000 you don't have $100,000 in cash.

To win, just bring it all and show me. We can meet here :)

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Where did I say the correction was intentional?



Yes, but in this case altering the stroke is just what may be making the shot work, whereas if he only used CTE strictly as described, the shot would be missed. Maybe this is why CTE takes so much effort to learn. Maybe that's why even mohrt doesn't really use CTE, best I can tell.

You just contradicted yourself in this one post. You deny saying the correction was INTENTIONAL in the first sentence and then come right back with the second one by saying CTE used strictly as described would miss the shot unless the stroke was altered.

THAT IS INTENTIONAL!
 
lol. I wouldn't let Dave Segal write the invitation to a garage sale, much less the forward to my book. I mean *really?* Playing barefoot on his home track and swooping a few balls in is his big claim to fame. What a riot, lol.

Lou Figueroa

You have no idea in hell what is in the forward of the book.

Donating money every year to buy your way in to play at the DCC and getting lucky enough to pull a draw with Efren or Bustamante and have a picture opp to make it look like you're some kind of player is a riot in your big claim to fame. Lets not forget the glowing self aggrandizing trip reports that always follow. They're priceless!

You're a NOBODY as well. At least when I was walking around the pool table in my own home I don't have a slob gut as huge as Humpty Dumpty or a Jack Daniel's barrel like you do. At least I watch what I eat and take care of myself.
 
If you can produce video footage of me using the word swooping in any of my DVD videos I will put you on my complementary book list.
In the meantime if you are ever in the KY I will happily give you enough of a lesson so that you will thoroughly understand PRO ONE sweeps.

Stan Shuffett
I'm sorry Mr Shuffet, I mean to use the word visual sweep not "swop"...I know your system works though..I've been successful using the Manuel pivot with it. I just wish I could grasp the visual swoop concept like players like Matt Krah and a very strong pro player from the Northeast that I won't mention his name. that uses pro 1...

I will defiantly try to set up a lesson with you in the near
 
Remember earlier when we talked about what a "straw man" argument was? The bold is a perfect example. You put words in my mouth and then discredit them = straw man.

No, it is a direct comparison as far as what you're doing with the stroke technique in pool as professional instructors or hack amateurs in golf have said they would do to change the swings of Trevino and Furyk.

At least PGA TEACHING PROS have made their statements on how to change his swing. You're a rank amateur nobody with zero credentials.

What a joke to even consider altering their swing technique to fit a biomechanical mold which you're trying to do with the stroke.

The only thing that matters in both golf and pool is IMPACT. If the ball goes exactly where it's supposed to go and hit solidly then you don't mess with success even if the player makes a "figure 8" at the end or the stroke or backswing while whistling "Dixie" and cutting a fart all at the same time. CONSISTENT SOLID WELL PLACED IMPACT IS KEY.

The key to all balls being struck well and straight is due to IMPACT. It could be tennis, baseball, hockey, soccer, punting a football or kicking a field goal,
Angles of attack can come from multiple directions and technique can also be different from one individual to the next, maybe even to the point of flawed from the biomechanical models of perfection.
 
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Thats why I referred to this as CTE/Hal/Greenleaf. My friend is an expert on almost any aiming system without having ever stepped foot on AZ ;)
Jason

Whoever your friend is I do hope he knows everything there is to know about CTE from having face to face lessons with Stan himself. If not, there are going to be some loose ends, inconsistencies, or possible misunderstandings.

The ultimate scenario would be if you could get with Stan yourself because you'd be blown away, and I really do mean blown away. I was and that was even with my background of being in person with Hal.

Btw, your friend is probably the smartest and luckiest person in pool to have NOT stepped foot on AZ.
 
Sir, this is war!!!! Facts, opinions, proof, conjecture, BS, is what we live and die with. Listening to the other side will never happen and the thought of you suggesting that:mad: HOW DARE YOU!!!!

LOL. Just funnin you
Jason


Why did you add the "LOL. Just funnin you"?

You were dead on the money with the original statement. It IS war, unbelievable but true.
 
What about how tall a player is? Is the guy 5'2" seeing things the same as the guy who is 6'1"? Or how about whether they set up under their left eye vs their right eye, or center the cue under their chin? What happens when one player gets into a Buddy Hall low over the cue stance vs a Fats upright stance? Are they all seeing the same lines? Will their motions to get into shooting position produce the same result?

Lou Figueroa


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And the reason I ask is because in a past life I spent several years shooting photos for a newspaper. What I know is that, from a couple of feet away, a small change in lens position can significantly alter perspective. Certainly, give the small parameters we're talking about when it comes to being accurate enough to pocket pool balls, this is a serious issue.

Lou Figueroa
 
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And the reason I ask is because in a past life I spent several years shooting photos for a newspaper. What I know is that, from a couple of feet away, a small change in lens position can significantly alter perspective. Certainly, give the small parameters we're talking about when it comes to being accurate enough to pocket pool balls, this is a serious issue.

Lou Figueroa

Sure. I don't think anyone is arguing that every person's head/eyes will see the same visuals/perception from the same spot. That would be nonsense. For example, when I used CTE on cuts to the right. I would need to lean over slightly (to the right) in order to pick up the visuals. On the other hand, Stan has said that he likes to bend forward to see them.

Everyone will see the same visuals, but not everyone will have the same perception. #WilliamWallace
 
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And the reason I ask is because in a past life I spent several years shooting photos for a newspaper. What I know is that, from a couple of feet away, a small change in lens position can significantly alter perspective. Certainly, give the small parameters we're talking about when it comes to being accurate enough to pocket pool balls, this is a serious issue.

Lou Figueroa

I can stand on a step ladder or kneel to my knees and still use my vision as necessary for using CTE. I can scrunch into my stance with a 5 inch bridge distance or lengthen out to 15 inches or 18.....

I have studied vision for a decade now and can use any portion of my vision for using CTE whether left eye, right eye or a center mid face approach.

CTE expands one's vision and how it is used for acquiring info while conventional approaches seek to narrow visual info.

CTE does not visually limit players but just the opposite.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Sure. I don't think anyone is arguing that every person's head/eyes will see the same visuals/perception from the same spot. That would be nonsense. For example, when I used CTE on cuts to the right. I would need to lean over slightly (to the right) in order to pick up the visuals. On the other hand, Stan has said that he likes to bend forward to see them.

Everyone will see the same visuals, but not everyone will have the same perception. #WilliamWallace

Same visuals but players can use different vision centers.....but the KEY is to understand how vision centers are used......certainly much different than conventional vision center alignments.

Stan Shuffett
 
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And the reason I ask is because in a past life I spent several years shooting photos for a newspaper. What I know is that, from a couple of feet away, a small change in lens position can significantly alter perspective. Certainly, give the small parameters we're talking about when it comes to being accurate enough to pocket pool balls, this is a serious issue.

Lou Figueroa

Tell us your own story about how a trim Air Force officer who shot pool and then went to a very rotund butterball was affected by the physical changes.

Hal had a fairly upright stance and it didn't have any ill effects on how he perceived CTE and made balls even at 80 years of age. He was deadly.

Stan is low and so is Stevie Moore and Landon. They certainly don't have problems with the same visuals.

Sounds to me like nothing more than an attack of a completely different aspect of playing that's never been explored before to besmirch CTE.

How do the same differences you mentioned affect contact point aiming or banks? You should at least be able to educate everyone on that by yourself.
 
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I can stand on a step ladder or kneel to my knees and still use my vision as necessary for using CTE. I can scrunch into my stance with a 5 inch bridge distance or lengthen out to 15 inches or 18.....

I have studied vision for a decade now and can use any portion of my vision for using CTE whether left eye, right eye or a center mid face approach.

CTE expands one's vision and how it is used for acquiring info while conventional approaches seek to narrow visual info.

CTE does not visually limit players but just the opposite.

Stan Shuffett


Wasn't asking about you.

I was asking about the players who are trying to learn your system and cannot see what you see because of a variety of different physical characteristics. You say you've studied the vision thing for a decade. You know your system inside out. What about those who have not studied the vision thing for 10 years and do not know anything about your system and cannot see what you see?

Lou Figueroa
 
Wasn't asking about you.

I was asking about the players who are trying to learn your system and cannot see what you see because of a variety of different physical characteristics. You say you've studied the vision thing for a decade. You know your system inside out. What about those who have not studied the vision thing for 10 years and do not know anything about your system and cannot see what you see?

Lou Figueroa

Fortunately, My understandings are based on working with ten years of students and their vision. But It goes back to what Hal Houle knew. A hundred years without his prompts would not been have enough for me. I could not have done what Hal did in 500 years. Hal's knowledge was my absolute guide.

We all play by the same visual rules when we construct images. There is great research to support this.

Stan Shuffett
 
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What about those who have not studied the vision thing for 10 years and do not know anything about your system and cannot see what you see?

Lou Figueroa

Honestly, Lou!
Many that I see are not strangers to the challenges of what to see when looking at 2 spheres. This is where I can really shine because I can teach them in objective terms where their vision should be positioned in space for proper alignment. Students are thrilled to get the info. Guessing at alignments is wrong and precisely why many have life long battles with it.


Stan Shuffett
 
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Honestly, Lou!
Many that I see are not strangers to the challenges of what to see when looking at 2 spheres. This is where I can really shine because I can teach them in objective terms where their vision should be positioned in space for proper alignment. Students are thrilled to get the info. Guessing at alignments is wrong and precisely why many have life long battles with it.

Stan Shuffett


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Here's what's going on and I'm sure you're well aware of it. Lou is doing his absolute devious best to try and find a crack to grab onto with the slightest verbiage
anomaly to twist and churn it into another major deficiency for arguing and beating it to death just like his boy Dan White is currently attempting with the stroke.

Remember, Lou is the one who went off like a Chinese firecracker on Gene Albrecht
about alignment and vision. He did everything in his power to denigrate and belittle him.

Nothing changes, nothing new here. It's not a quest for knowledge at all.

Way back when, they started off with:

1. It isn't mathematically correct
2. It isn't geometrically correct
3. It defies physics
4. Produce a diagram
5. Prove it with math
6. Impossible to have the same visuals for different angle shots
7. Everything visually still requires FEEL
8. Just see the shot, Nobody really needs to aim
9. PITH
10.HAMB
11. It's impossible to make all shots from 0-90 degrees with only 3 aim points
12. The stroke is swooping to correct for misalignment

I know I haven't scratched the surface with all of them but it never ends.
 
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