Zeus cues.................??

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garczar

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Aren't they just a Chinese SW copy? Reason i'm asking is there's one on Class. for $750. Are they worth anywhere near that? Seriously, there's two Olney's , each w/2shafts for same price. Am i missing something here?
 
tonyboy59 said:
Really...how so? I took this as Chinese cues using inferior materials and building specs.

Racist??? That's a reach...
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"Have you ever seen a Chinese cue that you'd pay more than $700US for?"

LUSJ is a prominent Chinese custom cuemaker. His plain janes are easily worth upwards of $1000. And he does some pretty ridiculous ringwork. Deeming something inferior because of the country of origin is racist. Sorry. That's pretty black and white. There are cheap cues made in the USA. A Lucasi, or even a Players cue, will have better quality control than a Schmelke that's made in the USA. The location of the cuemaker or the facility in which the cue is made has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the quality of the product. The QC of the cuemaker dictates that.
 
tonyboy59 said:
Really...how so? I took this as Chinese cues using inferior materials and building specs.

Racist??? That's a reach...
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Exactly. I wasn't taking a shot at Chinese people at all. I've been playing pool for about 37yrs. and other than a few Predators I've NEVER seen a Chinese cue that was worth ANYWHERE near $750. That's my story and i'm sticking to it. All i can go by is what i have personally seen and played with. BTW Mr. ThoughtPolice, i buy a LOT of Chinese-built products and am happy with their quality/value.
 
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garczar said:
Exactly. I wasn't taking a shot at Chinese people at all. I've been playing pool for about 37yrs. and other than a few Predators I've NEVER seen a Chinese cue that was worth ANYWHERE near $750. That's my story and i'm sticking to it. All i can go by is what i have personally seen and played with. BTW Mr. ThoughtPolice, i buy a LOT of Chinese-built products and am happy with their quality/value.
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" I know you eat ALOT OF CHINESE CARRY OUT :D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
"Have you ever seen a Chinese cue that you'd pay more than $700US for?"

LUSJ is a prominent Chinese custom cuemaker. His plain janes are easily worth upwards of $1000. And he does some pretty ridiculous ringwork. Deeming something inferior because of the country of origin is racist. Sorry. That's pretty black and white. There are cheap cues made in the USA. A Lucasi, or even a Players cue, will have better quality control than a Schmelke that's made in the USA. The location of the cuemaker or the facility in which the cue is made has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the quality of the product. The QC of the cuemaker dictates that.
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Nah.
Lusj is a taiwanese custom, dude used to play professional pool.
Taiwanese n chinese are entirely different category.

Many old taiwanese pros used to play with their own customs, plays solid n good wood.
Now when we talking bout China, ahem , entirely different category.. unless u wanna go production which some maintains pretty high standards.
 
Cezar Morales said:
Nah.
Lusj is a taiwanese custom, dude used to play professional pool.
Taiwanese n chinese are entirely different category.

Many old taiwanese pros used to play with their own customs, plays solid n good wood.
Now when we talking bout China, ahem , entirely different category.. unless u wanna go production which some maintains pretty high standards.
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Fine. I'm not going to split hairs with semantics regarding whether Taiwan (known as the Republic of China) is the same country as mainland China.

39 Custom is from China. High quality cues. Worth more than $700US.
High end Predators - made in China - retail for more than $700US
Lucasi Custom - made in China - retail for more than $700US
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
"Have you ever seen a Chinese cue that you'd pay more than $700US for?"

LUSJ is a prominent Chinese custom cuemaker. His plain janes are easily worth upwards of $1000. And he does some pretty ridiculous ringwork. Deeming something inferior because of the country of origin is racist. Sorry. That's pretty black and white. There are cheap cues made in the USA. A Lucasi, or even a Players cue, will have better quality control than a Schmelke that's made in the USA. The location of the cuemaker or the facility in which the cue is made has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the quality of the product. The QC of the cuemaker dictates that.
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I can tell you for a fact if auto parts come from China that they are likely junk. I cant even begin to tell you the problems I have had with inferior parts that when I looked at the box to find out the country of origin is China. I have even heard from people working for US company's but are stationed in China to work with the Chinese that they are capable of making quality products but if they are not watched closely the quality slips tremendously. Unfortunately when things like this happen a country and its people can get a bad rap for everything they produce. On the other hand they have no one to blame but themselves. This is an interesting tidbit, did you know pollution is so bad around the large industrial cities in China that they need billboards with digital pictures if they want to see the sun???
 
i got a Zeus cue , SW style .
Dunno where you got the price, but for sure the price of a SW Zeus with linen wrap isn't 750$ -or more- . They are sold in europe around 320€ , so should be 300 to 350$ depending of the wood. (look here , an example of a Zeus SW style sold -new- by dave in Germany -> http://www.doubledavecues.com/zeus-sw6p01-p-3862.html )
You should ask to Paul or Chady about them ;-). They are well used by Taiwanese players, because compatible with SW's ......

To me, a very good cue for the money it is, because the finish is nice , the shaft plays superbly and when needed i can use it on my Barenbrugge, thanks to its 3/8x11 modified pin...
good Taiwanese cues, but it's only my personnal opinion ... well made, solid, good shafts, 6 "real" points (not decals) for under 350 bucks ...
 
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erriep said:
i got a Zeus cue , SW style .
Dunno where you got the price, but for sure the price of a SW Zeus with linen wrap isn't 750$ -or more- . They are sold in europe around 320€ , so should be 300 to 350$ depending of the wood. (look here , an example of a Zeus SW style sold -new- by dave in Germany -> http://www.doubledavecues.com/zeus-sw6p01-p-3862.html )
You should ask to Paul or Chady about them ;-). They are well used by Taiwanese players, because compatible with SW's ......

To me, a very good cue for the money it is, because the finish is nice , the shaft plays superbly and when needed i can use it on my Barenbrugge, thanks to its 3/8x11 modified pin...
good Taiwanese cues, but it's only my personnal opinion ... well made, solid, good shafts, 6 "real" points (not decals) for under 350 bucks ...
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The one in theClass. is wrapless and is nice looking but i just don't think its a $750 cue. If he gets that for it more power to him.
 
garczar said:
The one in theClass. is wrapless and is nice looking but i just don't think its a $750 cue. If he gets that for it more power to him.
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ahhh , i've found it ;-) .
i fully understand your point of view.
at first we could believe that because it's a taiwanese cue , it's a low end, low cost cue...
but IMHO , ok,ok, the asked price can sound a bit high for a foreign cue -as usual on AZ- but even at that price, IMHO that's a very nice cue for the money.
IMHO you can't compare this taiwanese cue with Pinoy cues, as for example. The Zeus i own is very well made, hasn't moved a single bit since i got it , and i can't say that about the 3 pinoy cues i've owned & trashed....

personally, if i had 750$ and the choice between an Olney with 2 shafts and this one, i would choose this one, without any doubt. but that's me, my taste, my choice ...

my 2 cents ? at 500$ it would be a real bargain if it's really in almost new condition.
 
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garczar said:
The one in theClass. is wrapless and is nice looking but i just don't think its a $750 cue. If he gets that for it more power to him.
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I could make an argument for the fact that 90% of the cues in the FS section aren't worth what people are asking for them. Chinese or not :)
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I could make an argument for the fact that 90% of the cues in the FS section aren't worth what people are asking for them. Chinese or not :)
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You are not too far off on that assessment although there was a time on the "For Sale" forum that I would have said 30 - 40%. Times have changed...
 
Pretty strong statement coming from an expert.

Have a good day,

-Kat,



Shawn Armstrong said:
"Have you ever seen a Chinese cue that you'd pay more than $700US for?"

LUSJ is a prominent Chinese custom cuemaker. His plain janes are easily worth upwards of $1000. And he does some pretty ridiculous ringwork. Deeming something inferior because of the country of origin is racist. Sorry. That's pretty black and white. There are cheap cues made in the USA. A Lucasi, or even a Players cue, will have better quality control than a Schmelke that's made in the USA. The location of the cuemaker or the facility in which the cue is made has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the quality of the product. The QC of the cuemaker dictates that.
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Shawn Armstrong said:
I could make an argument for the fact that 90% of the cues in the FS section aren't worth what people are asking for them. Chinese or not :)
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You're probably in the ballpark there. Most cues that get sold here usually end up going for less than asking price unless its a Szam, Tasc, SW, etc. There's just too many "player" grade cues on the market to pull the kind of $$ people ask for them.
 
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