Passing it down the line

Michael Andros

tiny balls, GIANT pockets
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I was first getting serious about pool when I discovered the pool room and started spending most of my free time there, in the summer between 7th and 8th grade. As a wide-eyed kid, I was totally fascinated. I had seen plenty of people play pool, but mostly at the bowling alley. And it was mostly us kids. But the pool room was a completely different story. I knew enough about pool to know that when whitey happened to stop somewhere that gave you any easy shot, then that was a good thing. I had next to zero idea just how whitey stopped in those places. I was simply pleased as punch when it did. But now I was seeing people who seemed to be able to work magic. Some them never had a hard shot. It seemed to me every single time they shot their next shot, it was an easy one. The more I watched, the more I was enraptured. It was like watching a movie. It was mesmerizing, literally.

So of course, I tried to emulate those guys. Yeah, you guessed it. Utter failure. But not from lack of trying. And trying again. And again. Over and over and over. And one day, it occurred to me, maybe I should just ask someone. So I did. The first guy I asked just looked at me. Then said "Practice." That was it. The magic formula. "Practice." Ummmm... ok. Practice. But I was already doing that. So asking didn't go so well the first time. So I asked someone else. And the guy I asked next was actually the guy I had watched the most. To me, he was the best I could possibly imagine. He could park whitey wherever he wanted. Or so it seemed to me. So when i asked him how he did that, how he got the cue ball to stop where he always had an easy shot, he just looked at me too. I told him the other guy had told me to practice. He kinda smirked and said "Good advice. And do it a lot."

Now, yeah, I was a kid. But I was pretty quick on the uptake ( I ALWAYS scored very high on Pattern Recognition in school ). So I said to myself "These guys aren't spilling the beans." Yup, that was me. Captain Obvious. So, not one to ever give up easily, I asked someone else. This time, it was the room owner and this time, I hit the jackpot. He spilled the beans. Big time. He told me more than I could process. But over time, over the next few years, I soaked it up. I listened to everything he said to me. And he. seemingly, was a pool encyclopedia. At least to me. And one day I asked him why those two guys didn't answer my questions and had both just said basically, "Practice." He told me pool players were pretty tight-lipped about the secrets of pool. I didn't really understand so he told me for the most part, when those guys were coming up and learning pool, no one had told them anything either. And the main reason was, no player wanted to school some kid on how to play and then end having the kid beat them. Keeping in mind that gambling was the absolute norm in the pool room, it then kinda made sense to me.

So over the next 3 or 4 years, I mostly watched, and then practiced as much as I possibly could. And, eventually, a few of those players did end up telling me things, showing me things. Not a whole lot. But at least it was better than "Practice." . Which, all in all, was good advice. And, for the most part, when I had questions, I asked the owner. Sometimes, he would just tell me things when I was playing. And I started getting better. Much better.

So, anyway, now that I'm old as dirt and it takes me 15 minutes to get out of bed in the morning, I've tried to reverse that pattern I grew up on, vis-a-vis not passing along the "secrets" of this silly, magical, endlessly frustrating game. So I suppose what I posted this thread for is to ask other "Oldsters" or, perhaps, the not-so-"oldsters" if they've done the same. Have you passed down things to help people just starting out? Or do you feel the same as those guys felt 50 years ago and even farther back in time?: "Let 'em figure it out themselves, like I had to." I think the dynamic has changed a lot since action has nose-dived, by and large. Sure, people still bet but it's nothing like it was 40 or 50 years ago. So there's a lot less of the idea of eventually losing money to someone you've helped. I'm not saying every good or great player back in the day refused to help people coming up. But, at the time, it sure seemed to me to be true for the majority.

At any rate, I would be interested to know people's feeling about it.
 
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I enjoy getting people started. Will not give advice unless asked for but enjoy working with a young newbie. I'll tell them I can only teach you so much. If you like the game take professional lessons from a qualified instructor. I do not have a ton of stuff to pass on as I'm currently and constantly learning. We have to pass it on to keep it alive and played right. I'll pass anything on if someone is serious about learning. Pool or professionally.
 
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I enjoy getting people started. Will not give advice unless asked for but enjoy working with a young newbie. I'll tell them I can only teach you so much. If you like the game take professional lessons from a qualified instructor. I do not have a ton of stuff to pass on as I'm currently and constantly learning. We have to pass it on to keep it alive and played right. I'll pass anything on if someone is serious about learning. Pool or professionally.

I'm the same way, GC. Over the years, I've even gone so far as to buy a not-expensive-but-not-cheap cue for a few kids IF they showed me they were serious and had a good attitude.
 
Michael,

I'd say AZB is the ultimate example of 'passing it on' wouldn't you?!

....if only the 'youngsters' knew what a benefit the last few decades
Of knowledge is open to all now...books, internet video, AZB....

I always enjoy teaching anyone anything I may know if they are eager,
Will listen, and are willing to put in the work....someone showed me a
Little way back when.... time to pay it forward!

Td
 
Michael,

I'd say AZB is the ultimate example of 'passing it on' wouldn't you?!


....if only the 'youngsters' knew what a benefit the last few decades
Of knowledge is open to all now...books, internet video, AZB....

I always enjoy teaching anyone anything I may know if they are eager,
Will listen, and are willing to put in the work....someone showed me a
Little way back when.... time to pay it forward!

Td


Couldn't agree more. As far as I'm concerned, a minimum of 100 hours on AzB should be required to graduate high school. That said, the majority of people in the pool room have never heard of AzB. I've asked and many times I just get a blank stare. I simply tell them to google AzB and drop into the forums. Whether or not they've actually done that? No idea... no one has ever told me they did. But that doesn't mean they haven't.
 
I'm the same way, GC. Over the years, I've even gone so far as to buy a not-expensive-but-not-cheap cue for a few kids IF they showed me they were serious and had a good attitude.

Very cool and generous. And as they say "To teach is to learn".

side note: 10 minutes to get out of bed
 
Very cool and generous. And as they say "To teach is to learn".

Well, some think I'm leaning toward a padded room, spending $$$ on something like that but I can afford it and it's not a big deal. And it's not a lot of money. But I know, first hand, how important it is, if you're serious about this stupid game, to have the proper equipment to learn with / on. And most people will actually put forth even that much more effort if they have a "good" cue. So, no biggie. It's for a good cause.
 
Well, some think I'm leaning toward a padded room, spending $$$ on something like that but I can afford it and it's not a big deal. And it's not a lot of money. But I know, first hand, how important it is, if you're serious about this stupid game, to have the proper equipment to learn with / on. And most people will actually put forth even that much more effort if they have a "good" cue. So, no biggie. It's for a good cause.

I do that with my nephew. Bought him cheapie to get started. Bought him a CueTec and recently a nice DP with a 314-2. He is improving. Taking pool seriously. No bangers...looks to play stronger guys to learn and uses proper etiquette.
 
I enjoy getting people started. Will not give advice unless asked for but enjoy working with a young newbie. I'll tell them I can only teach you so much. If you like the game take professional lessons from a qualified instructor. I do not have a ton of stuff to pass on as I'm currently and constantly learning. We have to pass it on to keep it alive and played right. I'll pass anything on if someone is serious about learning. Pool or professionally.

I like watching people get started to. As for the advice portion, it depends on them, and their attitude. Some people are really open to hearing from others. I can be like that, depending on the person.

There are some people who have a really good attitude about things. I can sit down, talk it out, practice it with them, develop a new routine on the spot, and walk away a better player. Other people want to shove it down your throat, like there isn't any other way to do it. Never mind the fact that you've been doing it for close to 20 years, and still claim to know nothing about it. Others are a mix of the two. Think their ideas are perfect, but listen to what you have to say to (not that they'll adopt any of your ideas).

Like you, just be honest about your intent. If you want to learn, I'm happy to show you what I know. If not, go waste someone else's time. If you're someplace in between, lets just shoot a few games, and not worry about it.
 
I do that with my nephew. Bought him cheapie to get started. Bought him a CueTec and recently a nice DP with a 314-2. He is improving. Taking pool seriously. No bangers...looks to play stronger guys to learn and uses proper etiquette.

Good for him. Hope he sticks with it.
 
i am happy to share what i know
if i see someone practicing who has no clue and i see him watching me out of the corner of his eye i will walk over and go thru some basic stance and stroke stuff.
and basic aiming
after that i only offer advice if someone asks and truely seems interested in the answer
some people just dont want to be told anything
i know alot of billiard systems
and its funny players will see me measuring out a kick and make it and ask me "how did you do that"
i start to try to explain the system and they say something like
i can just see the lines..i dont like math
to each his own
i also encourage players to take lessons with our house pro since thats part of his income
so i dont teach too much out of respect to him
for the record
i took lessons from him and he shows me stuff all the time
thank you mark coats.....:bow-down:....:clapping:.......:thumbup:
 
I am much younger than you ,it only takes me 8 minutes to get out of bed !
I am willing to show anyone who asks anything I know
I think today with the internet most people can find the answers online
 
Very cool and generous. And as they say "To teach is to learn".

side note: 10 minutes to get out of bed

Maybe it’s time to stop sleeping in the top bunk....

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Many years ago as a kid, Skyler Woodward approached a Hall of Fame great veteran pro player, whom he admired and idozied, from his hometown, to help him with his game, and was flat out rejected. I've heard more than one first hand account that since then, that as a result of that memory, Skyler will always go out of his way to spend time helping young players he comes across at pool halls and tournament venues with their games.

I wonder how that veteran pro player feels now about how he treated Skyler, or whether since that time he has worked any with Skyler? Bottom line - as a result of his memory of how he was treated, it made a huge enough impression on Skyler that he will always make sure to never repeat the same mistake / attitude that was shown him in regards to helping young players with their game.
 
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Many years ago as a kid, Skyler Woodward approached a very well known veteran pro player from his hometown to help him with his game, and was flatly rejected. I've heard many accounts that since then, that as a result of that memory, Skyler will always go out of his way to spend time helping young players with their games.

I wonder how that veteran pro player feels now about how he treated Skyler, or whether since that time he has worked any with Skyler? Bottom line, as a result of his memory of how he was treated, it obviously made a huge impression on Skyler NOT to repeat the same mistake / attitude that was shown him in regards to helping young players with their game.

I wonder if this is a problem unique to pool players? I don't know if I've ever had this problem, or dilemma if you will, in any other profession or hobby. Where else does one debate whether or not to help someone they'd otherwise have minimum interaction with?
 
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i am happy to share what i know
if i see someone practicing who has no clue and i see him watching me out of the corner of his eye i will walk over and go thru some basic stance and stroke stuff.
and basic aiming
after that i only offer advice if someone asks and truely seems interested in the answer
some people just dont want to be told anything
i know alot of billiard systems
and its funny players will see me measuring out a kick and make it and ask me "how did you do that"
i start to try to explain the system and they say something like
i can just see the lines..i dont like math
to each his own
i also encourage players to take lessons with our house pro since thats part of his income
so i dont teach too much out of respect to him
for the record
i took lessons from him and he shows me stuff all the time
thank you mark coats.....:bow-down:....:clapping:.......:thumbup:

I try to do the same thing, B... but sometimes I do offer advice when not asked for, but only when it's someone who I'm fairly sure will appreciate the offer. It's a bit frustrating at times, such as when a kid will say "I can't do that!" ( such as drawing the rock when the object ball is three or four feet away ) and I say, "Sure you can... but, in the same breath, I guarantee you this... if you keep thinking you can't, odds are, you probably never will." That usually earns me a blank stare.
 
I am much younger than you ,it only takes me 8 minutes to get out of bed !
I am willing to show anyone who asks anything I know
I think today with the internet most people can find the answers online

That's true and it's an advantage we certainly never had. But I don't think there's really any substitute for having someone actually show you as you're standing at the table. But the net absolutely offers tons of info.
 
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