Pool is dead

You should switch to a 3 x 1.5 foot table from Fisher Price, with tiny balls.


Pool players are losers right?
Knew you'd find a way to slip that in.


sigh

No argument, just personal putdowns.

Call Randy Hanson at Dog's and maybe he can help you make more money.

Bye.


Jeff Livingston
 
Anybody win any patches or 4 inch trophies?
Sorry I couldn't help myself.
The game is meant to be more than that.
I'm glad Dog or Doug is making lots of money though.

I don't understand this train of thought. I equate pool to any other recreational activity. With your way of thinking a D league softball player shouldnt even show up to play in their Friday night beer league because they don't play like Derek Jeter? Sure, there is always going to be an elite level to any activity, but at the end of the day isn't it all about enjoying yourself? If you enjoy playing against only the best players you can find, I totally understand that but most people that play are only doing it for the social aspect of the event. Personally, I play in tourneys and league and there are good and bad aspects of both. I guess what I'm getting at is, why would you discourage anyone from playing pool? I think thats what happens when you ridicule someone for playing in a league or on bar boxes only.
 
sigh

No argument, just personal putdowns.

Call Randy Hanson at Dog's and maybe he can help you make more money.

Bye.


Jeff Livingston
Who said pool is all about money?
It is for the leagues and night club style rooms. For them pool is just the bait on the hook for fish like you.

52,000 posts and you got nothing.
 
I don't understand this train of thought. I equate pool to any other recreational activity. With your way of thinking a D league softball player shouldnt even show up to play in their Friday night beer league because they don't play like Derek Jeter? Sure, there is always going to be an elite level to any activity, but at the end of the day isn't it all about enjoying yourself? If you enjoy playing against only the best players you can find, I totally understand that but most people that play are only doing it for the social aspect of the event. Personally, I play in tourneys and league and there are good and bad aspects of both. I guess what I'm getting at is, why would you discourage anyone from playing pool? I think thats what happens when you ridicule someone for playing in a league or on bar boxes only.

Pool doesn't need leagues to save it.

Look at Europe....pool clubs. Producing hundreds of real players. That is real pool. Not this corporate driven BS league system that we have here.
 
Wherever that place is located, they're doing something right, for sure. Oldest rule of show business (and that's what entertainment at a pool room is) states: "Give the people what they want and they'll turn out".
Leagues help places make money. Most of the participants buy drinks and order food. Mixed drinks and wine are especially where the profit is made. Women love their wine and margaritas. Keeps places operating. Everybody knows they can drink cheaper at home...they just like going out and "living it up a little" and they're willing to pay for it.
"Old Purists" will never get it that the days of the poolrooms on street corners, with old codgers like me sleeping in the chairs, are gone with the wind.
High real estate rent prices will not allow an operator to get by on pool time alone. Modern zoning laws prohibit an owner from having a residence upstairs over the poolroom down below. And if the time costs get too high, then the kids (who're the players of the future) won't come. That $6.00 an hour stuff is brutal...not like the days of 10 cents a cue with the big 5 inch pockets for fast turnover and 25 cents for snooker.
No different than looking for gasoline at 30 cents a gallon, actually.

The parking lot at dog's holds about 150 or so cars....maybe more. When got there at a little past 7, I got the very last spot, even as the other business lots had players' cars in their lots, too. .

When I left at 10:30, after most of the leagues were done, the lot was still overfilled, now with even more cars, the new ones blocking the exits.

Last Saturday, my bud and I played us some AmRo at 5 pm. There were maybe 35 people in there, not many. By 10 o'clock when we left, it was packed with amateurs. Tons of 'em! All banging balls around....having...ahem....having fun.

Wednesday at noon, I'm in there with another old fart and I see some other old farts playing on another table. They spent nothing on food or drinks that I could see. Wednesday is the "all day for $10" day.

I'm not arguing about why people play or what the game deserves, etc.; I'm stating a fact of reality that league players add to the bottom line and that league players understand the game enough that many come out to see the pros every June during the Cue Expo at Dog's, and these leagues constantly bring in new players to the game. Leagues provide a package deal for pool.



Jeff Livingston
 
The parking lot at dog's holds about 150 or so cars....maybe more. When got there at a little past 7, I got the very last spot, even as the other business lots had players' cars in their lots, too. .

When I left at 10:30, after most of the leagues were done, the lot was still overfilled, now with even more cars, the new ones blocking the exits.

Last Saturday, my bud and I played us some AmRo at 5 pm. There were maybe 35 people in there, not many. By 10 o'clock when we left, it was packed with amateurs. Tons of 'em! All banging balls around....having...ahem....having fun.

Wednesday at noon, I'm in there with another old fart and I see some other old farts playing on another table. They spent nothing on food or drinks that I could see. Wednesday is the "all day for $10" day.

I'm not arguing about why people play or what the game deserves, etc.; I'm stating a fact of reality that league players add to the bottom line and that league players understand the game enough that many come out to see the pros every June during the Cue Expo at Dog's, and these leagues constantly bring in new players to the game. Leagues provide a package deal for pool.



Jeff Livingston

Thought you left?

What you describe is a block party.

Those old farts could get you to APA 6 with a little time. They probably think you are a snowflake who calls himself a player and wouldn't waste their time.
 
I said goodbye to YOU, not the thread.

I just haven't taken the time to put you on ignore yet.

I've been busy defending markets.


Jeff Livingston
While not a league fan myself i agree with your above posts. Anyone that thinks leagues kill pool are either just too stubborn or completely out of touch. I know here in Tulsa and also up in KansasCity the league scene is what keeps pool relevant at all. Those players spend money on food-drinks big time. If this game relied solely on big-table pool room style pool it would have gone from semi life-support to buried years ago. Something else i've noticed is that with the advent of Fargo more league players will play in a tournament knowing they have a chance of getting thru a couple rounds(or more). Like i said, i may not participate but i'm not going to knock something that works.
 
Mmmmmmmmmm...okay, then maybe you could personally start a movement to do away with this "corporate driven BS league system that we have here" and start pool clubs like they have in Europe?
And if that doesn't work out, then you can move to Europe.
Either way...problem solved. Right?
:thumbup:

So intelligent....baffling.

250,000 guys like you and yeah pool is toast. Then you guys can just switch to bowling league cause it too is just a game.
 
Wherever that place is located, they're doing something right, for sure. Oldest rule of show business (and that's what entertainment at a pool room is) states: "Give the people what they want and they'll turn out".
Leagues help places make money. Most of the participants buy drinks and order food. Mixed drinks and wine are especially where the profit is made. Women love their wine and margaritas. Keeps places operating. Everybody knows they can drink cheaper at home...they just like going out and "living it up a little" and they're willing to pay for it.
"Old Purists" will never get it that the days of the poolrooms on street corners, with old codgers like me sleeping in the chairs, are gone with the wind.
High real estate rent prices will not allow an operator to get by on pool time alone. Modern zoning laws prohibit an owner from having a residence upstairs over the poolroom down below. And if the time costs get too high, then the kids (who're the players of the future) won't come. That $6.00 an hour stuff is brutal...not like the days of 10 cents a cue with the big 5 inch pockets for fast turnover and 25 cents for snooker.
No different than looking for gasoline at 30 cents a gallon, actually.

This right here. I'm able to pay the $7 an hour they charge for pool but i won't because that's way too high for my tastes. I play pool in a minimum of 5 hour chunks, usually 11-6pm on weekends and 5-11pm on league/tournament weeknights. I only play when there's a $10 all day special OR during a league night, where i pay my $10 to win either money or a trip to Hawaii and vegas, as well as entry into the big APA tournaments. Plus, the $10 i pay for league gets me about 5 hours of play time, which is like i'm not paying anything to play in league. While i'm there, i typically spend $20-30 on beer/food, as i'm not a stickler for money, i just appreciate fair value.

And the old farts sleeping in a chair in pool halls isn't dead! We have one at my local joint, he walks like a hunchback because hes played so much pool over the last sixty years and now he kinda just lives there most of the day and sets up tournaments/coaches in leagues. So not all old farts are saying "screw technology, change and the future!" Just some of the very vocal ones. Many people adapt and go with the tide instead of fighting it and drowning in it.
 
Quantity isn't always better than quality. The makeup of the league players and the culture around it is more important.

League play allows more BS because that is what is available.

Pro level play will take time achieve and have standards, like dress code and good behavior. Earl Strickland being the exception and a few other cue breakers.

Not everyone can play pro, but if you accept below pro standards than its not worth keeping alive.

Adding to the bottom line is short lived, like the IPT.

Pro pool is about the long term, the quality and the standard.

While not a league fan myself i agree with your above posts. Anyone that thinks leagues kill pool are either just too stubborn or completely out of touch. I know here in Tulsa and also up in KansasCity the league scene is what keeps pool relevant at all. Those players spend money on food-drinks big time. If this game relied solely on big-table pool room style pool it would have gone from semi life-support to buried years ago. Something else i've noticed is that with the advent of Fargo more league players will play in a tournament knowing they have a chance of getting thru a couple rounds(or more). Like i said, i may not participate but i'm not going to knock something that works.
 
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Quantity isn't always better than quality. The makeup of the league players and the culture around it is more important.

League play allows more BS because that is what is available.

Pro level play will take time achieve and have standards, like dress code and good behavior. Earl Strickland being the exception and a few other cue breakers.

Not everyone can play pro, but if you accept below pro standards than its not worth keeping alive.

Adding to the bottom line is short lived, like the IPT.

Pro pool is about the long term, the quality and the standard.

Have you ever played in a league before? That is not how it is at all... There was a guy like that one time in my league who would check every rack like he was playing Shane for 10k on a hill hill race to 9, throw tantrums and just be an overall *****. He was kicked out of league before the end of the session. I don't know exactly what you mean by bs, but if you think the downfall of league is not wearing khakis and a polo, i don't have anything else to say to you.
 
Something people may fail to realize is that pool is a relatively new "thing" in Europe. They've never had the old poolhall/gambling stigma to overcome. When pool started getting popular they immediately treated it like a sport with clubs, associations, academies etc. Its as much(or more) a cultural thing as anything else. I'm not saying that the Euro-model wouldn't work here but just getting such a system going would be ONE tough sell.
 
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