From someone else's post:
Can you imagine an entertainment venue providing joy?
Jeff Livingston
You should switch to a 3 x 1.5 foot table from Fisher Price, with tiny balls.
From someone else's post:
Can you imagine an entertainment venue providing joy?
Jeff Livingston
Pool players are losers right?lol
The horror of winning.
Your players must be joyless losers.
Jeff Livingston
You should switch to a 3 x 1.5 foot table from Fisher Price, with tiny balls.
Pool players are losers right?
Knew you'd find a way to slip that in.
Anybody win any patches or 4 inch trophies?
Sorry I couldn't help myself.
The game is meant to be more than that.
I'm glad Dog or Doug is making lots of money though.
Who said pool is all about money?sigh
No argument, just personal putdowns.
Call Randy Hanson at Dog's and maybe he can help you make more money.
Bye.
Jeff Livingston
I don't understand this train of thought. I equate pool to any other recreational activity. With your way of thinking a D league softball player shouldnt even show up to play in their Friday night beer league because they don't play like Derek Jeter? Sure, there is always going to be an elite level to any activity, but at the end of the day isn't it all about enjoying yourself? If you enjoy playing against only the best players you can find, I totally understand that but most people that play are only doing it for the social aspect of the event. Personally, I play in tourneys and league and there are good and bad aspects of both. I guess what I'm getting at is, why would you discourage anyone from playing pool? I think thats what happens when you ridicule someone for playing in a league or on bar boxes only.
Wherever that place is located, they're doing something right, for sure. Oldest rule of show business (and that's what entertainment at a pool room is) states: "Give the people what they want and they'll turn out".
Leagues help places make money. Most of the participants buy drinks and order food. Mixed drinks and wine are especially where the profit is made. Women love their wine and margaritas. Keeps places operating. Everybody knows they can drink cheaper at home...they just like going out and "living it up a little" and they're willing to pay for it.
"Old Purists" will never get it that the days of the poolrooms on street corners, with old codgers like me sleeping in the chairs, are gone with the wind.
High real estate rent prices will not allow an operator to get by on pool time alone. Modern zoning laws prohibit an owner from having a residence upstairs over the poolroom down below. And if the time costs get too high, then the kids (who're the players of the future) won't come. That $6.00 an hour stuff is brutal...not like the days of 10 cents a cue with the big 5 inch pockets for fast turnover and 25 cents for snooker.
No different than looking for gasoline at 30 cents a gallon, actually.
The parking lot at dog's holds about 150 or so cars....maybe more. When got there at a little past 7, I got the very last spot, even as the other business lots had players' cars in their lots, too. .
When I left at 10:30, after most of the leagues were done, the lot was still overfilled, now with even more cars, the new ones blocking the exits.
Last Saturday, my bud and I played us some AmRo at 5 pm. There were maybe 35 people in there, not many. By 10 o'clock when we left, it was packed with amateurs. Tons of 'em! All banging balls around....having...ahem....having fun.
Wednesday at noon, I'm in there with another old fart and I see some other old farts playing on another table. They spent nothing on food or drinks that I could see. Wednesday is the "all day for $10" day.
I'm not arguing about why people play or what the game deserves, etc.; I'm stating a fact of reality that league players add to the bottom line and that league players understand the game enough that many come out to see the pros every June during the Cue Expo at Dog's, and these leagues constantly bring in new players to the game. Leagues provide a package deal for pool.
Jeff Livingston
Thought you left?
(snip unread).
While not a league fan myself i agree with your above posts. Anyone that thinks leagues kill pool are either just too stubborn or completely out of touch. I know here in Tulsa and also up in KansasCity the league scene is what keeps pool relevant at all. Those players spend money on food-drinks big time. If this game relied solely on big-table pool room style pool it would have gone from semi life-support to buried years ago. Something else i've noticed is that with the advent of Fargo more league players will play in a tournament knowing they have a chance of getting thru a couple rounds(or more). Like i said, i may not participate but i'm not going to knock something that works.I said goodbye to YOU, not the thread.
I just haven't taken the time to put you on ignore yet.
I've been busy defending markets.
Jeff Livingston
You are a child. Stick to getting patches.I said goodbye to YOU, not the thread.
I just haven't taken the time to put you on ignore yet.
I've been busy defending markets.
Jeff Livingston
Mmmmmmmmmm...okay, then maybe you could personally start a movement to do away with this "corporate driven BS league system that we have here" and start pool clubs like they have in Europe?
And if that doesn't work out, then you can move to Europe.
Either way...problem solved. Right?
:thumbup:
Wherever that place is located, they're doing something right, for sure. Oldest rule of show business (and that's what entertainment at a pool room is) states: "Give the people what they want and they'll turn out".
Leagues help places make money. Most of the participants buy drinks and order food. Mixed drinks and wine are especially where the profit is made. Women love their wine and margaritas. Keeps places operating. Everybody knows they can drink cheaper at home...they just like going out and "living it up a little" and they're willing to pay for it.
"Old Purists" will never get it that the days of the poolrooms on street corners, with old codgers like me sleeping in the chairs, are gone with the wind.
High real estate rent prices will not allow an operator to get by on pool time alone. Modern zoning laws prohibit an owner from having a residence upstairs over the poolroom down below. And if the time costs get too high, then the kids (who're the players of the future) won't come. That $6.00 an hour stuff is brutal...not like the days of 10 cents a cue with the big 5 inch pockets for fast turnover and 25 cents for snooker.
No different than looking for gasoline at 30 cents a gallon, actually.
While not a league fan myself i agree with your above posts. Anyone that thinks leagues kill pool are either just too stubborn or completely out of touch. I know here in Tulsa and also up in KansasCity the league scene is what keeps pool relevant at all. Those players spend money on food-drinks big time. If this game relied solely on big-table pool room style pool it would have gone from semi life-support to buried years ago. Something else i've noticed is that with the advent of Fargo more league players will play in a tournament knowing they have a chance of getting thru a couple rounds(or more). Like i said, i may not participate but i'm not going to knock something that works.
Quantity isn't always better than quality. The makeup of the league players and the culture around it is more important.
League play allows more BS because that is what is available.
Pro level play will take time achieve and have standards, like dress code and good behavior. Earl Strickland being the exception and a few other cue breakers.
Not everyone can play pro, but if you accept below pro standards than its not worth keeping alive.
Adding to the bottom line is short lived, like the IPT.
Pro pool is about the long term, the quality and the standard.