Consensus "Greatest of All Time" (GOAT) List

markjames said:
Shane 1
Sigel 3
Archer 1
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Thank you for participating.

Nice vote! You just tied Shane with Alex at 3/4, moved Mike above Nick from 6 to 5, and moved Johnny above Francisco from 9 to 8!

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 247
2 - Earl Strickland - 126
3 - Alex Pagulayan - 118
4 - Shane Van Boening - 118
5 - Mike Sigel - 103
6 - Nick Varner - 102
7 - Buddy Hall - 56
8 - Johnny Archer - 52
9 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
10 - Dennis Orcollo - 51
11 - Wu Chia-ching - 50

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 72): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, Bic D, big_worm, Bob Jewett, bobprobst, Cameron Smith, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, CreeDo, deanoc, Dimeball, dontscratch, dr_dave, eddieindetroit, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, Marcopolo, mark187, markjames, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, monsterdog, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, phj_tc, PoolBum, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, SFC9ball, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Taxi, Tennesseejoe, Tin Man, Tooler, TwinkleToes, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
AtLarge said:
dr_dave said:
Voting deadline:

12 midnight, MDT
Sunday, June 30

I’m glad to see you are taking this seriously. I wonder how many other last-minute strategic votes we will get. I’m only expecting yours, but it would be nice to see many more.
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and note that the "time clock" for these posts is considerably slow -- about 14 min. right now
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Duly noted. Please don't wit until the last minute (or last 14 minutes). I doubt you will have much voting competition in the "11th hour."

Regards,
Dave
 
Today is the last day for voting! If you are not on the list of names below, please post scores.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 247
2 - Earl Strickland - 126
3 - Alex Pagulayan - 118
4 - Shane Van Boening - 118
5 - Mike Sigel - 103
6 - Nick Varner - 102
7 - Buddy Hall - 56
8 - Johnny Archer - 52
9 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
10 - Dennis Orcollo - 51
11 - Wu Chia-ching - 50

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 72): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, Bic D, big_worm, Bob Jewett, bobprobst, Cameron Smith, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, CreeDo, deanoc, Dimeball, dontscratch, dr_dave, eddieindetroit, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, Marcopolo, mark187, markjames, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, monsterdog, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, phj_tc, PoolBum, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, SFC9ball, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Taxi, Tennesseejoe, Tin Man, Tooler, TwinkleToes, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends at midnight (MDT) today (6/30/2019), at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
dr_dave said:
Duly noted. Please don't wit until the last minute (or last 14 minutes). I doubt you will have much voting competition in the "11th hour."

Regards,
Dave
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Not sure I'll be able to stay up to the deadline, anyway.

P.S. I've never liked that "11th hour" expression. From 11:00 to 12:00 is actually the 12th hour.
 
couldnthinkof01 said:
Efren is still not high enough.
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Thank you for participating.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 252
2 - Earl Strickland - 126
3 - Alex Pagulayan - 118
4 - Shane Van Boening - 118
5 - Mike Sigel - 103
6 - Nick Varner - 102
7 - Buddy Hall - 56
8 - Johnny Archer - 52
9 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
10 - Dennis Orcollo - 51
11 - Wu Chia-ching - 50

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 73): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, Bic D, big_worm, Bob Jewett, bobprobst, Cameron Smith, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, CreeDo, couldnthinkof01, deanoc, Dimeball, dontscratch, dr_dave, eddieindetroit, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, Marcopolo, mark187, markjames, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, monsterdog, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, phj_tc, PoolBum, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, SFC9ball, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Taxi, Tennesseejoe, Tin Man, Tooler, TwinkleToes, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends at midnight (MDT) today (6/30/2019), at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
There are only a few hours remaining for voting! If you are not on the list of names below, please post scores.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 252
2 - Earl Strickland - 126
3 - Alex Pagulayan - 118
4 - Shane Van Boening - 118
5 - Mike Sigel - 103
6 - Nick Varner - 102
7 - Buddy Hall - 56
8 - Johnny Archer - 52
9 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
10 - Dennis Orcollo - 51
11 - Wu Chia-ching - 50

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 73): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, Bic D, big_worm, Bob Jewett, bobprobst, Cameron Smith, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, CreeDo, couldnthinkof01, deanoc, Dimeball, dontscratch, dr_dave, eddieindetroit, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, Marcopolo, mark187, markjames, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, monsterdog, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, phj_tc, PoolBum, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, SFC9ball, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Taxi, Tennesseejoe, Tin Man, Tooler, TwinkleToes, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends at midnight (MDT) today (6/30/2019), at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
AtLarge said:
Not sure I'll be able to stay up to the deadline, anyway.

P.S. I've never liked that "11th hour" expression. From 11:00 to 12:00 is actually the 12th hour.
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But the "11th hour" doesn't mean midnight, it means "at the last moment," whenever that is.

If the phrase originates with Matthew 20:1–16, for example, since the workday typically began at 6 am, the 11th hour would be between 4 pm and 5 pm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Workers_in_the_Vineyard
 
PoolBum said:
But the "11th hour" doesn't mean midnight, it means "at the last moment," whenever that is.

If the phrase originates with Matthew 20:1–16, for example, since the workday typically began at 6 am, the 11th hour would be between 4 pm and 5 pm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Workers_in_the_Vineyard
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I take the 11th hour literally....which would start at one second after 10:AM.
...this was about casual laborers trying to get a day’s work in.
The 12th hour in this scenario is noon.

Not the first time misunderstandings has become lingua Franca....
...it’s been happening ever since Babel
 
PoolBum said:
But the "11th hour" doesn't mean midnight, it means "at the last moment," whenever that is.

If the phrase originates with Matthew 20:1–16, for example, since the workday typically began at 6 am, the 11th hour would be between 4 pm and 5 pm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Workers_in_the_Vineyard
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As you say, if starting from 6 am, the 11th hour is between 4 pm and 5 pm and the 12th hour is between 5 pm and 6 pm.

Similarly, starting at midnight, and again at noon on the 12-hour clock, the first hour is between 12:00 and 1:00, ... the 11th hour is between 10:00 and 11:00, and the 12th hour is between 11:00 and 12:00.

So "at the last moment," i.e., during the last hour, should be during the 12th hour.

But who's counting.

Where I am, but not in Colorado, the 12th hour ends in one minute.
 
pt109 said:
I take the 11th hour literally....which would start at one second after 10:AM.
...this was about casual laborers trying to get a day’s work in.
The 12th hour in this scenario is noon.

Not the first time misunderstandings has become lingua Franca....
...it’s been happening ever since Babel
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Taking "the 11th hour" literally would be like taking "he kicked the bucket" literally, when someone is trying to tell you that someone died.

And, even if you take it literally, which hour is the 11th hour depends on which hour you begin with. There's nothing in the meaning of the phrase itself, even taken literally, which determines that the hour we begin with must be midnight.

In the original biblical passage, Matthew 20:1–16, the first hour begins at 6 am, because that is when the workday typically began.
 
AtLarge said:
As you say, if starting from 6 am, the 11th hour is between 4 pm and 5 pm and the 12th hour is between 5 pm and 6 pm.

Similarly, starting at midnight, and again at noon on the 12-hour clock, the first hour is between 12:00 and 1:00, ... the 11th hour is between 10:00 and 11:00, and the 12th hour is between 11:00 and 12:00.

So "at the last moment," i.e., during the last hour, should be during the 12th hour.

But who's counting.

Where I am, but not in Colorado, the 12th hour ends in one minute.
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Sure, but as I just posted above, even if we take "the 11th hour" literally (which is not its intended meaning), which hour is the 11th hour depends on your starting point, and nothing in the meaning of the phrase, even taken literally, determines a specific starting point.
 
PoolBum said:
Sure, but as I just posted above, even if we take "the 11th hour" literally (which is not its intended meaning), which hour is the 11th hour depends on your starting point, and nothing in the meaning of the phrase, even taken literally, determines a specific starting point.
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Sure, I agree, and fiddle-faddle, also.:grin: The term is not rarely used to refer to the hour before midnight.

Let's quit.

[But please ask Brian Williams to change the name of his show, broadcast in the hour before midnight (where I live).]
 
OK, I'd like to bump up SVB (1 point), Varner (2 points), and Busty (2 points).

[My mouse was awake enough to click on "Submit" a few seconds before 6/30 midnight MDT.]
 
dr_dave said:
1 - Efren Reyes - 252
2 - Earl Strickland - 126
3 - Alex Pagulayan - 118
4 - Shane Van Boening - 118
5 - Mike Sigel - 103
6 - Nick Varner - 102
7 - Buddy Hall - 56
8 - Johnny Archer - 52
9 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
10 - Dennis Orcollo - 51
11 - Wu Chia-ching - 50
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So is this the final tally?
 
PoolBum said:
So is this the final tally?
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So I notice a point tie between 3 and 4...Alex and Shane. I know we all love both, with Alex as a very slight favorite BUT we can’t have a numbers tie so someone needs a point taken away.

SVB is known to have hearing problems which allows us to, in good conscience, discriminate against him and take away 1 point. It’s all very scientific.
 
AtLarge said:
OK, I'd like to bump up SVB (1 point), Varner (2 points), and Busty (2 points).

[My mouse was awake enough to click on "Submit" a few seconds before 6/30 midnight MDT.]
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Thank you for participating.

Nice vote! You moved Shane from 4 to 3 above Alex, Nick from 6 to 5 above Mike, and Francisco from 9 to 8 above Johnny.

This is the last vote, so here's the final Top 10 GOAT List:

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 252
2 - Earl Strickland - 126
3 - Shane Van Boening - 119
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 118
5 - Nick Varner - 104
6 - Mike Sigel - 103
7 - Buddy Hall - 56
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 53
9 - Johnny Archer - 52
10 - Dennis Orcollo - 51
 
PoolBum said:
So is this the final tally?
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After the final vote from AtLarge, here's the final result:

1 - Efren Reyes - 252
2 - Earl Strickland - 126
3 - Shane Van Boening - 119
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 118
5 - Nick Varner - 104
6 - Mike Sigel - 103
7 - Buddy Hall - 56
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 53
9 - Johnny Archer - 52
10 - Dennis Orcollo - 51
 
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