9 ball with bowling style scoring....

buckshotshoey

buckshotshoey

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Edit... Crap, I meant 10 ball in the title! I asked mod to change thread title.

I posted about this a long time ago, but since so many people with tables have time on their hands these days, I issue this challenge...

Play standard 10 ball. Break the rack. Take ball in hand... just like playing ghost. If you break and run, you get a strike. If you miss a shot, or get into a situation where the run out isnt possible, take ball in hand. If you run the rest of them, it's a spare. And of course it's an open frame if you fail in two tries. Enter top of frame and bottom of frame totals. Then go to next frame.

My best this last week was 197. It's kind of fun and passes the time. 13 racks shouldn't take some of you guys that long. Or only 10 racks if you fail to strike or spare in the 10th. Obviously you have to break and run 3 games in the 10th for a perfect score. Would love to hear if someone does get a 300!
 
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As an afterthought, we can multiply our scores by Dr Daves Table Difficulty Factor to get an equal playing field. My table is a little easier then some of yours. I am at .89. That would give me a score of 175.33. Give it a try fellers. It's kind of fun. At least its a little different.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
Some past threads about "bowliards"/"bowlliards":

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=427626&highlight=bowlliards

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=371650&highlight=bowlliards

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=268789&highlight=bowlliards

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=240200&highlight=bowliards

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=54204&highlight=bowliards

And a fansite:

http://www.bowlliards.net/

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Ok. It's been done before. What was your best score? And I made a mistake on the title. It should be 10 ball. Crap. Cant believe I did that.

They way I do it is in rotation. I see some that play it straight pool.
 
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bowliards

buckshotshoey said:
Edit... Crap, I meant 10 ball in the title! I asked mod to change thread title.

I posted about this a long time ago, but since so many people with tables have time on their hands these days, I issue this challenge...

Play standard 10 ball. Break the rack. Take ball in hand... just like playing ghost. If you break and run, you get a strike. If you miss a shot, or get into a situation where the run out isnt possible, take ball in hand. If you run the rest of them, it's a spare. And of course it's an open frame if you fail in two tries. Enter top of frame and bottom of frame totals. Then go to next frame.

My best this last week was 197. It's kind of fun and passes the time. 13 racks shouldn't take some of you guys that long. Or only 10 racks if you fail to strike or spare in the 10th. Obviously you have to break and run 3 games in the 10th for a perfect score. Would love to hear if someone does get a 300!
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Yes, this is a fun game. My daughter played this because she wasn't quite ready for straight pool. She is capable of missing easy shots now and then or losing the cue ball, but she has also made a number of strikes on my 9' diamond.

I don't play bowliards often but after watching my daughter I had to give it a shot and posted a 300 on the first try. When it comes to 9 ball or 10 ball there are times when the table will force you to shoot difficult transitions, or you will have to move your cue ball around enough to lose it occasionally and end up with a tough shot. In Bowliards I get to arrange my pattern so every shot is easy and leads to the next. If I have a tough shot (ball down the rail from near the side) I make sure I have a good lead ball to get on it good, then an easy ball afterwards so I don't have to do more than cinch that rail shot. Usually my cue ball is moving no more than a couple of inches between shots. There isn't much that can go wrong. I don't even think I ever had to switch patterns from the one I originally mapped out in my mind.

But to get to that level requires a lot of cue ball and pattern knowledge. I'm not saying it's easy. Only that you should have that picture in your head of what you want the game to look like. Get that cue ball on a leash. The shorter distance you move it between shots the more accurate you will be with it. 197 is some good shooting with a few nice table runs, keep it going and let us know when you beat that!
 
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Ok. It's been done before. What was your best score? And I made a mistake on the title. It should be 10 ball. Crap. Cant believe I did that. More then once.
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I've never tried it - just thought you might like to compare notes. Hope everybody tries it with you - good luck!

By the way, there are also a few other one-player games that could be fun stay-at-home competitions - the one I like best is Fargo (by Mike Page): break a random rack of 15 balls, run the first x number of balls in any order (like 14.1), until you decide the remaining balls can be run in rotation - then (try to) run the rest in rotation. You get 1 point per ball in any order + 2 points per ball in rotation.

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Tin Man said:
Yes, this is a fun game. My daughter played this because she wasn't quite ready for straight pool. She is capable of missing easy shots now and then or losing the cue ball, but she has also made a number of strikes on my 9' diamond.

I don't play bowliards often but after watching my daughter I had to give it a shot and posted a 300 on the first try. When it comes to 9 ball or 10 ball there are times when the table will force you to shoot difficult transitions, or you will have to move your cue ball around enough to lose it occasionally and end up with a tough shot. In Bowliards I get to arrange my pattern so every shot is easy and leads to the next. If I have a tough shot (ball down the rail from near the side) I make sure I have a good lead ball to get on it good, then an easy ball afterwards so I don't have to do more than cinch that rail shot. Usually my cue ball is moving no more than a couple of inches between shots. There isn't much that can go wrong. I don't even think I ever had to switch patterns from the one I originally mapped out in my mind.

But to get to that level requires a lot of cue ball and pattern knowledge. I'm not saying it's easy. Only that you should have that picture in your head of what you want the game to look like. Get that cue ball on a leash. The shorter distance you move it between shots the more accurate you will be with it. 197 is some good shooting with a few nice table runs, keep it going and let us know when you beat that!
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The 197 was in rotation. Was shooting out my ass I do admit! Was my best. Several below 100! And if I scratched, I just ended with ball count. It would be tougher if i counted scratches as gutter balls and lost the accumulated count. But i just took ball in hand and moved to bottom of frame or next frame.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I've never tried it - just thought you might like to compare notes. Hope everybody tries it with you - good luck!

By the way, there are also a few other one-player games that could be fun stay-at-home competitions - the one I like best is Fargo (by Mike Page): break a random rack of 15 balls, run the first x number of balls in any order (like 14.1), until you decide the remaining balls can be run in rotation - then (try to) run the rest in rotation. You get 1 point per ball in any order + 2 points per ball in rotation.

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Would be cool if we could compete with each other. Something to do during the imprisonment.
 
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buckshotshoey said:
The 197 was in rotation. Was shooting out my ass I do admit! Was my best. Several below 100! And if I scratched, I just ended with ball count. It would be tougher if i counted scratches as gutter balls and lost the accumulated count. But i just took ball in hand and moved to bottom of frame or next frame.
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Thank you for clarifying! Sorry for the confusion.

I have had some good stretches against the 10 ball ghost and have on one occasion strung more than 13 in a row, but I can't imagine how many tries it would take for me to bat a 300 under those conditions. Probably longer than my lifetime unless I got quite a bit better along the way.

What makes a big score tough is that oftentimes the hardest part of the rack is the first three balls. So if you are failing to run out, often you are scoring really low numbers for that inning. And it doesn't take many open frames with low numbers to interrupt the accumulation of points in bowling scoring.

OK, I might have to give this a try today. More to come...
 
Tin Man said:
Thank you for clarifying! Sorry for the confusion.

I have had some good stretches against the 10 ball ghost and have on one occasion strung more than 13 in a row, but I can't imagine how many tries it would take for me to bat a 300 under those conditions. Probably longer than my lifetime unless I got quite a bit better along the way.

What makes a big score tough is that oftentimes the hardest part of the rack is the first three balls. So if you are failing to run out, often you are scoring really low numbers for that inning. And it doesn't take many open frames with low numbers to interrupt the accumulation of points in bowling scoring.

OK, I might have to give this a try today. More to come...
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And at .89 difficulty factor, my table is a little easier then some. Multiplying the 197 times .89 gives me a 175.33. Using Dr Dave's TDF calculator should make the scores fairer.

Hey Dr Dave.... gives us your score!
 
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There’s a lady that’s runs tournament on this type of games. The website is called behind the rock.
Very interesting and you can play the tournaments from anywhere. A lot of the pros have played it,to include Shane,Alex and other players
 
Thanks for the info. The Mrs. was getting pretty tired of us setting up the bowling pins on the pool table and rolling the bowling ball at 'em.
 
Tried a few games this evening. Should have stayed in the house. Run out of propane and garage was 40 degrees. Couldn't break 100. One game was a 64.:(
 
Ok just played this for the first time and got a 165...i was shooting at least a level over my normal speed though.
Started off spare, strike, strike, then spare certainly helped.
 
241

Gave it a shot. 241. Boom.

I tried to put my score below. I really dogged the last rack. I ran down to the 9 and missed a really routine shot. That's the only one I feel I truly blundered. I got hooked on a 3 ball earlier and couldn't kick it in. My other miss was a cut along the end rail, it was a poor effort. But I do know I had some tricky outs, a good break out, short side shape on a few and some tough shots.

One rack I broke and the 10 ball got kicked in front of the corner. It was a tough rack to run and I didn't know if the 1-10 counted, so I spotted it up and somehow was able to run through that rack. How am I supposed to play short racks?

Anyway, I don't know I'll beat that anytime soon. I think I was in stroke from watching Filler yesterday and things kind of went my way. The pressure did start to build in later racks a bit for sure. I think I might just take my 241 and retire. ;)


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straightline said:
Why not break and first shot without the ball in hand.
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Because it's not much fun to post 7 open frames... ;)

If we weren't playing rotation that would be ok. Even the ghost without ball in hand can be good with a magic rack if you're feeling like a million bucks. But if the goal is to be able to string some strikes together, let me put whitey where I want it!
 
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Because it's not much fun to post 7 open frames... ;)

If we weren't playing rotation that would be ok. Even the ghost without ball in hand can be good with a magic rack if you're feeling like a million bucks. But if the goal is to be able to string some strikes together, let me put whitey where I want it!
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I was thinking less bowling than standard, today's kinda play. There's no ball on the break requirement so more players could get traction against the miracle guys. (?)
 
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