If I had to choose between Glenn and Mark I'd simply give up playing the game.
Amazing Anniversary & Centennial work going on during the lockdown
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If you are comparing someone taking money & rails for work never done to Mark not helping Don with his table....I am confused. The guys were doing there own job at Don's house. The guys did not work for Mark. They were not moonlighting they were out working
You sure about that? At the very least he endorsed them, and the work.
I don't see it that way. We will agree to disagree...Mark never robbed anyone which is what you inferred with the Glen comparison.
Spoken like a gentleman, sorry to have intruded in your thread, wish you well during these crazy times.
And to you as well!
I have learned a TREMENDOUS amount of knowledge from both RKC and Mark. I have also have learned how not to handle business from both of them. RKC has more than disappointed me concerning the "missing rails"...
Mark and his "I will beat you up" & "I am the best in the world" attitude also has taught me how not to act as a businessman and in general as an adult.
I do know that ALL of us love what we do. I will continue my business and be happy. At the end of the day: we all have to be accountable and how we treat other people in the business says tons about us as individuals. I give respect to those who earn it. People who think they are better than others get nothing from me, I can give credit when it comes to the work, but, that does not I respect someone. I have great working relationships with far more companies in this industry that I ever imagined and I have also formed friendships with some of them.
I agree nothing should be brushed under the rug.
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I have restored 21 Anniversaries. I have had not a SINGLE complaint. I never thought I would buy a parts only table, but, that one would for sure be parts only. There are people who want original restorations and that is my business.
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You heard Don's side of the story, but not Mark's..
The guys who did this work are NOT Mark's team. They are local installers, who sometimes help Mark out. They told Don to call Mark, as a reference. Mark had nothing to do with this job, and was not making a cent from the exchange. He answered a few of Don's questions, but when Mark refused to review the photos that Don wanted to send to him, Don got upset.
Keep in mind, Mark is a busy guy. He has little interest in doing field service anymore, as he's busy enough building tables and rails. He wasn't making a nickel off this job, and this crew is NOT under his leadership. Mark had zero incentive to review the work of this crew, or to make corrections to the sub-par work.
You are right but if Mark would have taken 5 second to review the pics of the hackwork, a lot of the issues would have been non starters. Mark would have told Don the work was shoddy. If he vouched for these guys he could have at least looked at the pics and not assumed they were doing things properly. Just my two cents.
Again, using a thread about someone else, to sing your own praises... This is exactly why Mark got into it with you. It's a shame that more people don't call you out for this. You think that you are helping this forum, but you're more concerned with helping yourself. Every table "mechanic" on this forum sees it, even if your "happy customers" don't.
Is that not Mark's phone number in the screenshot I posted, why is Mark giving out references for these guys and endorsing them if that's the work they do?
Between his response and haphazardly recommending shit installers, and then of all things trying to justify the shit work cause Don may or may not have tried to haggle. Well, that tells me all I need to know about the guy.
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That would be the decent thing to do, I guess never try to haggle with Mark...
Fair enough. Just understand, you might have missed some of the details that escalated it to that point.
Sure, perhaps the way that Mark handled it might not be to everyone's satisfaction. I get that, because I would have handed it differently, myself. However, Mark and I have a different focus. I have a lot of working years left, whereas Mark is at the other end of his career.
He's busy at the shop, building magnificent tables. He has little interest in doing field service work these days. Can't say that I blame him, for not wanting to waste his time, validating someone else's work.
We are all allowed our opinions! This is an open forum and I will say what I want, when I want. I have found this to be a fact in life, there will always be people who do not agree with you and that is totally ok with me. There is this wonderful option on here and I think you should use it: Go into your settings and add me to your IGNORE list. My ignore list is very short, I tend to just ignore things I don't like on here.
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Just gonna put this right here.
Hmm, it seems all "the best" have their issues. I would QUIT this business if anyone ever came on here like this:
Hmm, it seems all "the best" have their issues. I would QUIT this business if anyone ever came on here like this:
That's odd you cant blame him, maybe he shouldn't blindy endorse people's work, you say they aren't his crew, but work for him at times and he endorses them blindy, sounds like a crew to me, semantics I guess.
And honestly the most disturbing part by far, was Mark trying to justify the crap work because" Don probably low balled them", good lord!
If someone can justify those installers doing a total crap job because of possible haggling, why would I expect anything better from Mark? Just tell the person you aren't interested in haggaling, not take the job and do shit work.
I always wondered about the mismatched stain and the red pocket backings that weren't flush on that table. 20grand+, eeeeek.
That was not marks work. that table came to Dean about a year after not getting what he paid for.
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