I'd be really curious to see some poll results regarding why players bought/use extensions on their cues.
I would think that if they wanted weight biased to the butt of the cue, they'd just use additional weight.
LET GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I would think that if they wanted weight biased to the butt of the cue, they'd just use additional weight.
The one being discussed is also a slip-stroke.
Not that most would admit it but a large percentage of those who do it is because they're under the impression it will somehow make them play better. Same as 500.00 shafts, 40.00 tips, 30.00 chalk, etc. etc. If they cost that much and SVB uses them they must be better, right? Funny how the overwhelming majority of the same people wouldn't dream of spending 70.00 on Mark Wilsons book which might actually help them.
This and some of the other questions you ask are very disturbing. Keep it up and Predator and Kamui may join forces to file a lawsuit forcing you to cease and desist.
hey john
agree that shorter players don't need an extension
tho maybe we should qualify them as "players with shorter arms,"
in case there's a shorty with manute bol-like appendages
maybe not. I digress.
I can't conceive why anybody would want extra weight behind their hand
diff'rent strokes and all..but why?
if the OAW is heavy, maybe
but otherwise, wouldn't the front just pop up more?
would force a player to modify their hand positions
a cue should be built for the hands
not the other way around, I think
Welcome to the discussion.
The thread was started by Larry bbb asking about letting the cue go.
If you haven’t please read the entire thread. Some interesting posts have been made regarding the releasing of the cue.
When I say smaller pro players I’m talking about those players that grip their cue somewhere in the middle of the wrap. Doing this puts the mass and weight of the cue behind their grip hand and allows for the throwing of the cue to impact with the cue ball.
You can easily see this when you watch Alex P. Dennis O. and other pro players that use a very loose grip.
Here may be a good analogy.
An air craft carrier traveling at full speed takes about 4 or 5 miles to come to a stop where as a 16' boat with a 25 hp engine traveling at full speed only takes a few feet to come to a stop. Both are ships/boats but due to the mass and weight one will stop before the other.
The same principle applies to cue sticks, the more mass and weight behind the grip hand the longer it will take for the cue to stop going forward. That's why the player stops the cue from going forward by catching the cue.
Have a good day.
John
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cheers john- checkWelcome to the discussion.
The thread was started by Larry bbb asking about letting the cue go.
If you haven’t please read the entire thread. Some interesting posts have been made regarding the releasing of the cue.
When I say smaller pro players I’m talking about those players that grip their cue somewhere in the middle of the wrap. Doing this puts the mass and weight of the cue behind their grip hand and allows for the throwing of the cue to impact with the cue ball.
You can easily see this when you watch Alex P. Dennis O. and other pro players that use a very loose grip.
Here may be a good analogy.
An air craft carrier traveling at full speed takes about 4 or 5 miles to come to a stop where as a 16' boat with a 25 hp engine traveling at full speed only takes a few feet to come to a stop. Both are ships/boats but due to the mass and weight one will stop before the other.
The same principle applies to cue sticks, the more mass and weight behind the grip hand the longer it will take for the cue to stop going forward. That's why the player stops the cue from going forward by catching the cue.
Have a good day.
John
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my opinion isn't quite formed on the subject
but as long as accuracy is maintained
I like the idea of keeping the cue "fluid"
Not by definition. The only meaning of a slip stroke is letting the cue slide in your back stroke. It has nothing to do with the forward motion.
Think English language.
Ah, I think the part you may be missing is that the plane is moving througth one of the least dense liquids (air). Whereas the boat is attempting to push itself through water....lol. If you can find a survivor of a plane crash into water, you should ask how quickly it came to a stop after contact.
I believe the notion is that the inertia of a cue (without the additonal aid of arm to maintain velocity), remains higher with increased mass. While mass and inertia are directly tied to one another. I don't understand why the placement of this additional weight works better when behind the grip hand. It's probably nothing more than a convenient spot to add it.
I think adding all this mass to the bottom end of the cue would only be convenient to those using a closed bridge.
When I play, the cue is in strong contact with both my chin and chest. Actually throwing the cue for me, would necessitate a change in stance/stroke. Otherwise those two additional points of contact would throw the tip off the desired CB striking point.
I'm "under the impression" that a cue can be fit to a player's desire, skill, stroke and body shape, just like golf clubs fitted to a golfer WILL lower their golf scores (I teach golf and pool both).
However, Sparkle, I agree with you, and I usually dislike seeing someone drop $1,000 on a cue or $3,000 on a table but not a fraction of that for a good pool book or a good instructor.
Yes, yes, I know. YOU consider it a slip stroke and according to the English language, you're not wrong because the cue is slipping on the way forward. That's your defense, right? What I told you has been the definition for a century. So you just feel like altering the definition because it suits you? It doesn't work that way. Isn't it better to be on the same page as everyone else when you're discussing something? Go ahead. Keep calling it a slip stroke --- and the next time you have a conversation with someone who knows the meaning of the term, I guarantee it will be an interesting conversation.
English is English get real. If it comes up it's easily clarified.
If only that were possible.... I know a few guys that are desperate to become strong at this game. Does the level of desire determine the amount of inlay work...?
Says the pool instructor...lol. Sorry, I don't mean to be a dick, but that comment is a hair self serving don't ya think...?
You are completely right though. I encourage local players to seek out professional instruction all the time. We have a couple that do make themselves available in our town from time to time. I think it's $40-50 for an hour of a professional's time. That's a steal. When I was cutting my teeth I would have had to donate 4 times that in action and hope it took them at least an hour to win my money...lol.
My schedule hasn't manage to jive yet, but I intend on ponying up $100 just to play sets for a couple of hours. I'll save hundreds and reap the benefit of asking how I should play a shot to beat him. Doesn't get better than that.....lol
Who the hell do you think you are? No. You get real and take the time to learn the proper definitions and quit acting like a spoiled brat. Is it really that hard to say: "Thanks for explaining that. I didn't know that."?
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Commenting on your second paragraph.
I think the placement of the weight behind the grip hand to increase mass is advantageous because it promotes pulling through with cue as opposed to pushing through.
In seemingly every sport the throw is an accelerating pull, (golf, bowling, baseball, football, darts, tennis, etc.). Pushing a throw is extremely limited such as shot put throwing. With all these other sports the object being thrown is ideally behind the hand, wrist, or elbow and pulled through.
It makes sense to me why some players prefer to play with extensions as it promotes a good consistent throw by favoring the pull in the pull
ush ratio of their stroke. Even young smaller players like Jesus Antencio use an extension and he has a beautiful slip stroke with great results.I've tried it a few times and think it works great on potting balls on an open table as the cue really holds a stable line and delivers a powerful stroke with little effort. However I find it cumbersome if I'm ever shooting off the rail or have a short shot where the cueball and object ball are close together. (I've seen where SVB removes his extension for certain off the rail shots)
Personally I'm more consistent with standard 58" cue at 5'11" but sometimes I warm up with the extension on just to get in stroke. The added weight behind my grip hand definitely promotes a good pulling stroke. I've been having good results with the slip stroke.
some good players to watch who shoot with a nice slip stroke: Biado, Antencio, Ignacio, Jango.
Do you find the back weight augments lateral stability?
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if your referring to lateral stability at bridge hand, yes but in a standard shooting position with a standard extension the added weight is negligible. however when shooting off rail or at close up shots where may typically slide your grip had up and shorten your stance, stability goes out the window for me and the cue feels very out of balance which is why I don't play with it full time. but it is a useful tool for warming up for sure.
I meant since the hand is close to the weight there would be more resistance to lateral backhand movement. We might be talking about the same thing.