LET GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Releasing the cue. That’s probably the best way to describe “let the cue do the work”.
Watching SVB play Jeffrey Deluna play right now. Jeffery releases the cue and then catches it.
Most of Asian players and a few American players also do this.
It’s like pitching a softball under handed or throwing a dart over handed. You just let it go.

John


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Bob Jewett said:
Can you give any example of such a shot?
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Yes I could, and I was just about to draw it on a table when I realized that you never post anything positive about something I've written. So why should I expect a sudden change in your disposition? I don't mind a healthy back and forth, but the continuous one-sided attitude doesn't work for me. So my answer to you is no. I won't.
 
One Pocket John said:
Releasing the cue. That’s probably the best way to describe “let the cue do the work”.
Watching SVB play Jeffrey Deluna play right now. Jeffery releases the cue and then catches it.
Most of Asian players and a few American players also do this.
It’s like pitching a softball under handed or throwing a dart over handed. You just let it go.

John


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Exactly. It's really big with the Filipino players. We sat for hours in the pool room watching videos of Efren, and Gene pointed out to me how there were times when Efren completely released the cue but hid it with his torso to the extent that if you weren't looking for it, you would miss it. Very interesting stuff.
 
The_JV said:
Not meaning to pile on... but I'm very curious as to what kind of shot doesn't seem doable unless I decide to throw the cue...?

I'm generally considered a very precise potter. If there's breathing room, I like my chances. I credit a hard fought adherence to my fundamental approach and stroke technique.

Are we talking about CB control after contact or shot making...?
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In the instances where I used it in competition it was for position purposes.
 
The_JV said:
Man, I can't imagine actually letting go of the cue during a shot.

I've always made an effort to remove the element of timing from the stroke. No swooping up and down. No chicken wing. No standing up until the CB has made contact with the OB. The idea of timing that release correctly and always doing so, just seems like a potential nightmare to me.

How much is to be really gained with such a practice...??? If the only argument is to correct for to strong a grip. Shouldn't the focus just be loosening it rather than throwing the cue...?

Personally, I'm at my most comfortable when I'm holding the very end of my cue. I think this is something left over from my snooker days when I located my grip with the notch most snooker cues have. I think it may go without saying...lol..., but releasing the cue from that grip probably isn't going to work out too well....lol

I have no dog in this fight. I'm just curious if this technique is actually advantageous over solid 'traditional' fundamentals..?
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These are weapons to add to your arsenal. I'm not talking about a complete change in style of play, just something you can pull out of your stockpile of weapons to use. As you know, when your game gets to a certain level, improvements come one shot at a time. Often times, that one shot can turn around a match. It takes a lot of time, practice and a lot of frustration sometimes just to learn one new thing to add to your arsenal. But boy, it sure feels good to have when you can suddenly pull off a spectacular move that puts you right back in a match.
 
FranCrimi said:
Yes I could, and I was just about to draw it on a table when I realized that you never post anything positive about something I've written. So why should I expect a sudden change in your disposition? I don't mind a healthy back and forth, but the continuous one-sided attitude doesn't work for me. So my answer to you is no. I won't.
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That's an interesting way to deflect a question. In fact I have posted positive comments about some of your posts.
 
FranCrimi said:
In the instances where I used it in competition it was for position purposes.
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Ok, I can see within my own game where a non-existent grip on the cue 'could' be beneficial. Not so much in terms of CB control/placement, but with applying exessive spin. I do have a max ability in that regard that I see others exceed on occassion. I guess the "throwing" of the cue would prevent any limiting mechanics my stroke would apply to my cue action.

I would definitely classify it as a circus shot though. If I needed even only 5% more than my usual max, I'm probably making the wrong decision to begin with.

I will give this a try though. I'm always up for trying the entertaining.
 
Bob Jewett said:
That's an interesting way to deflect a question. In fact I have posted positive comments about some of your posts.
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Do you think I'm trying to avoid answering you because -- why? You think I may be fabricating? I always stand behind everything I post. Did you see the photo of me practicing throwing the cue? It's real. By now you should know well enough about me that if I'm theorizing, then I say that I'm theorizing. I don't pull punches. Just the fact that you're even accusing me of avoiding your question shows your distrust.
 
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The_JV said:
Ok, I can see within my own game where a non-existent grip on the cue 'could' be beneficial. Not so much in terms of CB control/placement, but with applying exessive spin. I do have a max ability in that regard that I see others exceed on occassion. I guess the "throwing" of the cue would prevent any limiting mechanics my stroke would apply to my cue action.

I would definitely classify it as a circus shot though. If I needed even only 5% more than my usual max, I'm probably making the wrong decision to begin with.

I will give this a try though. I'm always up for trying the entertaining.
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Yep. I can't argue with you there. First, you have to make sure you have the clearance to throw the cue. On the occasions that I've done it, there were only a few balls left on the table. Also, be prepared for people watching you thinking that you made a mistake and got lucky. The pool cue does hit the table with a thud. :)
 
One Pocket John said:
Hey Larry.
The next time your down on a shot turn your focus (during practice strokes and cue delivery) to the cue weight behind your grip hand.

Pull the cue back normally then pull the cue forward to finish. The cue will go thru the cue ball naturally to finish any where from 3"-5" after impact. (with a fixed elbow)

Pay attention to smaller pro players. They grip the cue somewhere in the middle of the wrap
which places the weight of the cue well behind their grip hand. In other words they are letting the cue do all of the work with very little effort.

Try this, just hold the cue with the tip of your thumb and index finger and practice for an hour. You wont be successful with this exercise if you try to push the cue thru the cue ball. Let the cue push it's self thru the cue ball.

Focus on the cue weight behind your grip hand. As stated above once the cue has started it's forward travel it will stay on a straight line unless of course you do something funky with your grip hand or get your shoulder involved.

I'm not an instructor and offer this advise only to help.

John
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Hi john
i tried your suggestions a few times.
holding the cue with just my distal thumb pad on my thumb and distal index fingerpad
the cue was very difficult to hold on a straight line
if i cradled the cue in the distal part of my index finger i had more control
my current playing cue is 19.5 oz with the balance point at 18.5 inches from the butt
so focusing on whats behind my grip hand was not difficult to do
pulling the back of the cue thru as opposed to pushing the front thru the cue ball took alittle bit of “ perspective management” 🙂
not sure it made that much of a difference except for the increased focus on keeping the cue moving straight
 
Larry, I think that if you have a bad problem with your fundamentals, letting go of the cue stick might help, but that is trying to patch a problem rather than fix it. If you cannot get better with standard, orthodox fundamentals, then maybe it is reasonable to try the off the wall stuff, but I think you need to try the standard way first
 
Bob Jewett said:
Larry, I think that if you have a bad problem with your fundamentals, letting go of the cue stick might help, but that is trying to patch a problem rather than fix it. If you cannot get better with standard, orthodox fundamentals, then maybe it is reasonable to try the off the wall stuff, but I think you need to try the standard way first
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bob
i agree and am working on that.... (y) :)
i just posted this thread for an observation and discussion which it got.
 
you are the one with more knowledge skill and experience
what do you think i should take from it?
 
bbb said:
you are the one with more knowledge skill and experience
what do you think i should take from it?
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I think I've already expressed that above. I was wondering what you actually got from the discussion. Was it helpful to your progress and if so, how?
 
I think learning to draw inch by inch pinpoint(ly) is the groundwork. Only when you know that zone thoroughly can you begin to make the transition into the nitrous.
 
Good Morning Larry.
I didn't realize that you may have fundamental issues with letting your shooting forearm fall
on the shot line.
Just a note for you to consider. You arrange your body and feet in such a way that when you bend over to shoot, your shooting arm (and cue) will fall on the shot line. You do not force the cue to travel in a straight line, you let the cue travel in a straight line.

I have posted this video many times. I am not suggesting that you shoot 10 shots straight in as shown. What I am suggesting is you follow how Bert moves his body and feet to bring his shooting arm on the shot line. This allows for the cue to naturally drop down on the shot line and then he just lets the cue go.

videos.bertkinister.com

Volume 11 Advanced Fundamentals

Everyone has a proper stance at the table; watch this video to find your proper stance.
videos.bertkinister.com

This is going to take quite a bit of your time to learn. Could take months before it starts to become automatic and natural.

As Bob posted above, it may be best to "letting the cue go" on the shelf for a while. :)

I do admire your positive attitude to keep digging and digging. :) I'm the same way, I'll never quit trying to learn this game.

Have a good day

John
 
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