I assume that the PRC being used to make the Diamond PRC tables is very similar to Richlite which is made in Tacoma, Washington or possibly Paperstone made in Hoquiam, Washington or perhaps another manufacturer. Its basically coloured recycled paper treated with phenolic resin compound (similar to what pool balls are made of) and compressed under heat and pressure to become extremely hard. When machined on a curve or off the horizontal plane or axis, the numerous paper edge layers show up and resemble wood grain. It can be polished and buffed out to be smooth and somewhat shiny. Otherwise it has a hard leathery type texture as in Epicurean cutting boards. The paper can be treated or coloured before the phenolic resin process, in Diamond’s case charcoal or black. It is used for numerous products including kitchen counter tops, skate board park surfaces, siding or panels, cutting boards etc. Gibson Guitars uses it for fingerboards to replace ebony wood.
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Please don’t get me wrong. When I speak about Diamonds suckling it’s not from a design choice or build. They are for sure the most consistent built and playing tables hands down. However I think the cushion choice was a huge mistake. This Artemis cushions are too springy. It changes the game. Makes you want to stay off the rails. That’s game altering. Most individuals purchase these tables because they feel it will make them a better player if they play on what there local halls have or places they play tournaments or they see them in competition. It’s the best built table ever. Not a great playing table. ESPECIALLY the 7’. Shrinking the size and not compensating for speed makes for a VERY artificial table. Since the inception of this sport have the speed of tables been so great that you try to stay off the rails. It has altered the game for the worse. That’s what I say and that’s what I stand by. Slower is not necessarily bad. Requires you to stroke the ball and therefore “improving” your overall game and requires better stroke development! I think this is important for the game. Not just ads player but, as a spectator. Want to know at least one reason pool is not desirable to watch? That’s one of the reasons for sure.
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Hmm, I wonder how much of that speed you're talking about can be attributed to Simonis cloth. Stevens 22oz Superweave was the choice cloth of the Pros before the Mali cloth company bought them out and changed the milling process. Did you know the 7fts and 9fts have different cushions? Did you know that if you're use to playing on a 9ft, playing on a 7ft is going to seem to play faster because unless you tone down your stroke, you're playing on a smaller surface with a bigger stroke, which makes the 7ft seem to play faster.
Man, you are just a monumental douchebag, aren't you. I bet Diamond is just thrilled to have you as a spokesperson, "defending" them. If you talk to people in the real world like you continuously do here, I'm amazed you don't need to eat through a tube.Look up the reviews on you American Heritage pool tableas usual, you don't know shit!!!
You ever get johnnyaims' rails back to him?
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Where's Glen Hancock (Therealkingcobra)?!?
It's going on seven months since Glen Hancock took my GC3 rails and my $1750.00 dollars. Six months since our agreed apon time/date to have my pool table rebuild finished, and to many broken promises and no communication in between to list in this post. I sit here in disbelief. I can't...
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What a loser!!
I'm suprised someone hasn't broken your nose by now as big as it is!!
Are you directly involved, if not then its a f%#k you!
You're last sentence is a touch confusing, but thanks for feedback.
The flaw around the diamond does not appear to be chipping (which brittle materials can tend to do), but more so tearing. Regardless, if we put our Diamond issued rose coloured glasses on I'm sure we won't notice the QA mishap.
Which is clearly the manufacturer... Unless things like deep buffing, inlay milling, and resin impregnation are performed after the tables leave the Diamond facility...? I am assuming the manufacturer of the table is the party that performs these tasks.It's only arguable when blame is place on the wrong parties involved
Well, I guess you just need to see it for yourself, because you're talking without first had experience to know what you're talking about. Factory tours are free!
I'm assuming you have experience working with PRC, right? I mean, you DO have experience right?
Did you know that if you TAP on a sharp edge of the PRC, its so brittle it'll chip off??
I'm speaking with first hand experience of viewing the flaw via picture. Unless you're claiming that the picture is a fake...?
I don't need to enjoy a factory tour, to know processess handled by the manufacturer are the QA responisbility of the manufacturer.
That said, I had no idea Diamond provided tours of their facility. Maybe if I'm fortunate enough to semi local I'll check it out. If nothing less I'll then have a fully qualified opinion to share here on the forum
Why do I need experience working with the material, to know that if someone else works with it, and screws up, it's their issue to rememdy...?
Bet you didn't know that the PRC is actually being used as a substright, and because of that, it can't be buffed to a gloss finish like the Dymondwood could be. The way the PRC is designed to be used is in the final step, the finishing process, is to heat bond a final skin of a wood paper finish coating over the black PRC look, to give it a finished look, but that process can't be done when the product is being used as rails for a pool table, because the final finish would never hold up to the abuse the rail are put through under normal circumstances. So the product as presented can be sanded, scratches removed, and continued to be buffed out to a nice finished look all the time. I know, I do it all the time!
Experience comes from having worked with the material at hand, not from looking at blown up pictures, which magnify what you can't really see with your eyes. Blow up the painted finish on a new car, and you'll really see what the paint flaws look like!!!I'm speaking with first hand experience of viewing the flaw via picture. Unless you're claiming that the picture is a fake...?
I don't need to enjoy a factory tour, to know processess handled by the manufacturer are the QA responisbility of the manufacturer.
That said, I had no idea Diamond provided tours of their facility. Maybe if I'm fortunate enough to semi local I'll check it out. If nothing less I'll then have a fully qualified opinion to share here on the forum
Show everyone the pictures of your pool table, let's see what kind of standards YOU settled for!!
If you tear a sheet of paper in half, not matter how clean you think that tear is, blow up the view of that torn edge of paper so you can get a real good look at just exactly how clean that torn edge of the paper really is, and you'll be suprised at what you see.
Point is, no working experience with the PRC material, means you're voicing your opinion without facts, and no matter how much you want your opinion to mean something, it ain't S%#T if you can't back it up with facts!!!
Ok cool... so you're suggesting the flaw around the inlay could have been fixed if QA caught it. However I am assuming Diamond has QA and that department does their job. I haven't worked with PRC material so maybe that assumption is unwarranted.