The Legendary Pearl to Take On 14.1 Attempts

[realkingcobra]

Ah, I see the problem here; basic reading comprehension. Sorry, let me be clear. Validate means to prove something is real, true, factual. Invalidate is to prove that something is NOT real, true, factual. Evidence is some form of information that supports a statement or theory. I’ll rephrase what I said for you:

We can not say that Earl did or did not make 480 because we don’t have any proof that supports either of those statements.

Then why don't Earl just claim his high run is actually 780 balls, no one can prove otherwise, right? Then it can go down on record that this events high run for Earl was 238 balls, and his lifetime personal high run is 780 balls, because no one can prove otherwise, because 30 years ago, he COULD have ran that many!!!

 

[kanzzo]

Its Earl's responsibility to provide the proof, not my responsibility to believe what ever he's said blindly.

It' like reporter asking Strickland before this event:
- Mr. Strickland. What is your high run in straight pool?
Stricklnad:
- that would be 480
- I don't believe you. Can you prove it?
- You just asked. No I can not prove it and I don't give a *#&% if you believe me or not. It's not like it was my primarly goal in life or reason I wanted to get selected in to a Hall of Fame because of my run. I just like straight pool as a practice game and dedicated more than 2% of my training time to this game. (Which playing pool as crazy for 53 years corresponds to more than a year of practice). And once I run 480 balls in practice and was proud of myself til the next day. (Some people also didn't believe I could win 5 US Open titles in 9 Ball or runout 10 consecutive racks in 9 Ball for a 1,000,000$ price. These people never bothered me.)

 

[kanzzo]

Then why don't Earl just claim his high run is actually 780 balls, no one can prove otherwise, right? Then it can go down on record that this events high run for Earl was 238 balls, and his lifetime personal high run is 780 balls, because no one can prove otherwise, because 30 years ago, he COULD have ran that many!!!

because most people don't lie for no reason. So if they get asked a harmless question they answer with truth more often than not.

 

[Shuddy]

Then why don't Earl just claim his high run is actually 780 balls, no one can prove otherwise, right? Then it can go down on record that this events high run for Earl was 238 balls, and his lifetime personal high run is 780 balls, because no one can prove otherwise, because 30 years ago, he COULD have ran that many!!!

Because they also aren’t using 480 as any kind of benchmark for this event. They are recognizing John Schmidt’s amazing achievement as the benchmark for the highest financial reward on offer, and providing viewers some information that allows us to know if Earl beats his PB.

 

[kanzzo]

Just curious where is the data for you to estimate Mosconi could run 100 balls one out of every two tries? That sounds a bit high.

read here in the forum stories about people witnessing his exhibitions. Could't find the thread so just paraphrasing from memory:

He had to play on different equipment (but had his own set of balls with him). Very often he ran out on first attempt he found an open table. If somehow he got himself in trouble once in the exhibition (and finished with a run of 50 or something) he asked the crowd if they wanted to see a 100 ball run. Crowd said yes and he always delivered.

This corresponds to me that he was pretty sure to run 100 balls once in two tries on average

 

[Z-Nole]

Again and again don't be concerned about who participates in the event. No one cares about your opinion at all. Go run your own event it's that simple. Are you broke? If not than put your money and time together and you can be right on your way.

Too funny. I guess the way over priced glue that worked half as well just hasn’t taken off as expected.

 

[Rodney]

Hasn’t everyone learned you can’t argue with idiots?

 

[realkingcobra]

because most people don't lie for no reason. So if they get asked a harmless question they answer with truth more often than not.

There's the truth, and then there's the perceived truth, which is what someone wants you to believe, because its not supported by facts.

SVB has also won 5 US Opens, has beaten Earl in races to 100 on multiple occasions, who claimed his high run at 14.1 was 304, then backed that claim up with a 308 in this event. Had he claimed his high run in practice was 350, that would be more believable because with an event high run of 308, he actually could have ran 350 in practice

But to make a claim of 480 as a personal high run, then through all the attempts Earl had in this event, the BEST he could do, was post a high run of 238 one time making it into the 200+ in ONE day, not two! And at 60 years old, Earl is still a threat to win ANY 9B event he enters today, that's just a FACT!

 

[realkingcobra]

Hasn’t everyone learned you can’t argue with idiots?

If idiots are the ones NOT drinking the kool-aid, what does that make those that are, the dumbasses

 

[kanzzo]

There's the truth, and then there's the perceived truth, which is what someone wants you to believe, because its not supported by facts.

SVB has also won 5 US Opens, has beaten Earl in races to 100 on multiple occasions, who claimed his high run at 14.1 was 304, then backed that claim up with a 308 in this event. Had he claimed his high run in practice was 350, that would be more believable because with an event high run of 308, he actually could have ran 350 in practice

But to make a claim of 480 as a personal high run, then through all the attempts Earl had in this event, the BEST he could do, was post a high run of 238 one time making it into the 200+ in ONE day, not two! And at 60 years old, Earl is still a threat to win ANY 9B event he enters today, that's just a FACT!

my high run was 76 from 2004. I couldn't run 50 balls last 10 months even though I try every time a go to the table. If I was to play in the event my high run would probably be around 40 after 1 week of attempts. Does it mean my high run from over 15 years ago is a lie? Or just that it's tough to beat your PB?

(respect to the champions that beat their PB in this event. It's a tough thing to do )

 

[realkingcobra]

my high run was 76 from 2004. I couldn't run 50 balls last 10 months even though I try every time a go to the table. If I was to play in the event my high run would probably be around 40 after 1 week of attempts. Does it mean my high run from over 15 years ago is a lie? Or just that it's tough to beat your PB?

(respect to the champions that beat their PB in this event. It's a tough thing to do )

I guess that would depend on how much you played pool over the last 15 years and if pool is your daytime job, or your hobby, don't you think? My guess is its your hobby, not your profession

 

[kanzzo]

I guess that would depend on how much you played pool over the last 15 years and if pool is your daytime job, or your hobby, don't you think? My guess is its your hobby, not your profession

how does it relate to anything I said?

I am obviously not a pool professional (even though 2004 I would have loved to become one). Not a tough thing to conclude giving my ability to run 50 balls in straight pool. John Schmidt was told, when he was young, that he should be able to run 200+ regularly to be able to compete on the pro level. So the high runs you can put together regularly are a good estimation of your overall pool skills.

My "math" and examples just trying to show, that it's possible to have shot a high run once, just getting lucky (or putting in enough tries). And if Strickland needed something like 10,000 attempts to get his high run of 480 (20 years ago when his game was much better) it's quite obvious that the odds are agains him beating his PB with only 200 attempts.

 

[cueman]

14.1 is played like poetry in motion, if you don't know what that poetry in motion is today, you didn't know what it was 40 years ago either, sorry!

I have been reading your post about how Earl is great at 9 Ball but lousy at Straight Pool. When I hear that kind of talk in the poolrooms someone is trying to match up. Will we be able to watch you and Earl play a Straight Pool match on free live stream anytime soon? Straight shooter verses Master pattern player. Can knowledge over come raw talent? I can't wait to find out.

 

[realkingcobra]

I have been reading your post about how Earl is great at 9 Ball but lousy at Straight Pool. When I hear that kind of talk in the poolrooms someone is trying to match up. Will we be able to watch you and Earl play a Straight Pool match on free live stream anytime soon? Straight shooter verses Master pattern player. Can knowledge over come raw talent? I can't wait to find out.

I've played JS for a $100 a game even up before he won the 2006 US Open 9B event, but like I said, for the most part I quit playing in January 1990, but I'll play Earl, sure, and afterwards we can compete for the same amount rebuilding a GC, in fact, we can even double the bet, you interested in backing Earl under those terms?

 

[Shuddy]

I've played JS for a $100 a game even up before he won the 2006 US Open 9B event, but like I said, for the most part I quit playing in January 1990, but I'll play Earl, sure, and afterwards we can compete for the same amount rebuilding a GC, in fact, we can even double the bet, you interested in backing Earl under those terms?

Earl isn’t in here trashing your table building skills, you twit. And honestly, not sure what the big deal is about building a table. I paid some dudes $100 to build mine. Plays perfect, rolls straight, hasn’t needed adjusting in two years. I mean, I guess you’d be handy if I ever have a big Ikea delivery I need help with.

 

[middleofnowhere]

your high run doesn't say much about your straight pool abilities if you don't put into account, how many attemps it took.

Strickland could have reached 480 in 10,000 tries, just because he is crazy enough to try. Filler is probably able to get it under 100 tries (read less than 1%) but never bothered. He practices, til he reaches 200 and then quits for the day. Ortmann had 100 and out, 150 and out and 150 and out in 3 consecutive matches of one tournament (so he probably would be able to reach 400 quite easily), but never bothered, since his goal was only to win the race to 150...

It should be mentioned that playing an actual match is far different than just trying to run balls. The reason being there's consequences if you miss or make a mistake so you don't do it.

For example Earl kicking in that ball off the long rail. Or any one of a number of shots he made that in a real match you would probably play safe in and the run would end. So when somebody ran 100 or 150 in a real match it was a pretty clean run or they would have quit and played safe.

That's not saying in a real match a player won't go for a fairly low percentage shot because the reward is going to be pretty good you're still at the table. But you're not going to be doing the crazy stuff you'll do trying to maintain a run.

I saw Joe Balsis play quite a few times and he wasn't allergic to shooting a low percentage shot to stay at the table. So was Miz. In fact in the case of Miz that might have been his power, he was liable to shoot anything.

I saw him beat Crane once shooting at a ball from the end rail after some safety play. After the match Crane yelled in his face telling him he didn't know how to play. "You should not have shot that shot" and took his cue apart and walked away. That may be, but Miz still won.

I myself was kind of a straight pool nut and having owned pool rooms I often get on the table and practice for hours just straight pool. People sitting around watching me play if I got in trouble would often be around the table trying to figure out what I should do to keep going.

I would never do that. If it wasn't something I would do in a game I wouldn't do it. I've seen players practicing run 80 90 100 balls. In the course of the run shoot Banks maybe even getting out of line on a break shot and bank the corner ball get lucky and make it.

It would be kind of like running say 90 and another run of say 112 back to back, then claiming he ran 202 because of course if he just hadn't missed that ball in between he would have.

Many players have won many matches without ever having missed a ball. Combination of runs and safety play. What their doing in the challenge while interesting is not real straight pool. And I'm sure it's not meant to be.

Having said all that, I have no doubt if Earl shows up at a straight pool tournament he's fully capable of winning against anybody. There's been champions in the past that have had reckless styles of play, he wouldn't be the first.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Then why don't Earl just claim his high run is actually 780 balls, no one can prove otherwise, right? Then it can go down on record that this events high run for Earl was 238 balls, and his lifetime personal high run is 780 balls, because no one can prove otherwise, because 30 years ago, he COULD have ran that many!!!

Perhaps, because unlike you are insinuating, Earl isn't a liar.

 

[cueman]

I've played JS for a $100 a game even up before he won the 2006 US Open 9B event, but like I said, for the most part I quit playing in January 1990, but I'll play Earl, sure, and afterwards we can compete for the same amount rebuilding a GC, in fact, we can even double the bet, you interested in backing Earl under those terms?

That would be like asking you if you and Earl compete on rebuilding a table, then double the bet in round two playing nineball. Just curious. Did Earl sometime in the past play on a table you set up and complain about how bad it played?

 

[Fatboy]

Only if he quit playing 9 ball for a year, and we all know that didn't happen.

He did. You don’t know much as you think you do. By chance it was this past year leading up to Mcup.

 

[Shuddy]

Just curious. Did Earl sometime in the past play on a table you set up and complain about how bad it played?

Hey, now we’re onto something

Really though, he just came in insulting everyone for thinking Earl could beat 626, when in reality, no one actually said that. We were just enjoying watching Earl play. Then he started insulting the event. I assume because he thinks it’s shitty to encourage people to beat JS’s record, when, once again, in reality, JS has had a couple of years of no one even trying to beat his record so he can maximize the potential of his feat (that is, host private dinners/screenings in America and not allow the majority of people who enjoy 14.1 to enjoy his accomplishment). Then he falls back on his reputation as the world’s best table mechanic, which is a reputation I suspect he gained by telling everyone he’s the world’s best table mechanic.

Man, I feel dirty shitting on him like this, but all he’s done in this thread is be an asshat, so…….