Put Money Into Existing Table or Upgrade?

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JayB93

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New floor and decor going into our game room. We have a table that in my opinion not very well constructed. 3pc floating slates no screws to hold in place. Rails have threaded inserts that bolt up from the bottom. All had started to pull out and the rails wobbled. I reclocked and epoxied inserts so the screws would grab fresh wood (shown in pic). The 2x4 going across middle of table that supports underside of length wise 2x4 was cut 1/4" short and is held in place on ends by only 2 framing nails - hence the janky metal brackets I lag screwed in place (zoom in on frame to see). I know they are janky, but the were the right height with no fabrication required.

I can invest $600 to have it set up be a local table mechanic with new felt and pockets. Cheaper than a new table, but floating slates concern me. The table mechanic said he would glue slates to each other and he felt confident it would be ok.

Game room is 16'10" wide x 18'8" long. This table is an oversized 8, which seems right for our room.

Son and I have started to enjoy playing more and we will appreciate an upgrade to the way table was with old felt and a speed bump in the slates. Opinions on just enjoying this table set up to be best it can be or seek a replacement? I'd be happy spending $600 if I had some confidence the floating slates and rail construction won't pose problems down the road. I'd also be willing to spend $1500-2500 if I knew it would be a much better outcome.

Pics below are table and room before updating started, room and table mid game room update and threaded inserts that hold the rails in place - 3 per rail bolts up from the bottom.

I realize this is an opinion post, and I have to make the decision. Just looking for some input. Thanks for your time.
 

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JayB93 said:
Casual for sure, but my 14yo son is learning to play and I don't mind giving him the opportunity to explore the game on decent equipment. We are blessed enough to be able to do things like that and I enjoy being with him (and our daughter) to learn whatever interests them (within reason). I suppose I remember learning lots of new activities with old and worn out equipment, and I think in some ways that can hinder progress. I'm more of a golfer and I remember learning to play with adult clubs not cut down and never regripped in their entire life. I don't mind investing in decent equipment and some instruction so good fundamentals can be established, which is what we did for both kids with respect to learning to play golf.

Maybe I can just hang 200lbs of weights on this table and call it good?? :unsure:
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LOL. There's a bit more to playability that weight. When you walk on the floor around your table now, does the floor move?
 
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JayB93 said:
Casual for sure, but my 14yo son is learning to play and I don't mind giving him the opportunity to explore the game on decent equipment. We are blessed enough to be able to do things like that and I enjoy being with him (and our daughter) to learn whatever interests them (within reason). I suppose I remember learning lots of new activities with old and worn out equipment, and I think in some ways that can hinder progress. I'm more of a golfer and I remember learning to play with adult clubs not cut down and never regripped in their entire life. I don't mind investing in decent equipment and some instruction so good fundamentals can be established, which is what we did for both kids with respect to learning to play golf.

Maybe I can just hang 200lbs of weights on this table and call it good?? :unsure:
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Mostly everyone here has played on the worst and best tables and it was fun regardless. You appear to be looking for a quality set up...want to have good quality family fun and learn together. Pool is more than a game sometimes. Consider what the room will accommodate and get the best set up you can afford. The beauty is once it's paid for that's it. It's not an interest that keep$ costing...(Golf). Regardless have fun and welcome to AZB
 
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Big time development. Called Barry to discuss options and he is picking up a 9' Brunswick Mission table from customer near me that is moving and doesn't have room at new house. Delivery, setup and new Simonis cloth at super reasonable price. Will even move my old table down to the garage for me so I can more easily sell it on. Here is a stock photo of the table. Super happy with this surprise outcome.
 

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JayB93 said:
Big time development. Called Barry to discuss options and he is picking up a 9' Brunswick Mission table from customer near me that is moving and doesn't have room at new house. Delivery, setup and new Simonis cloth at super reasonable price. Will even move my old table down to the garage for me so I can more easily sell it on. Here is a stock photo of the table. Super happy with this surprise outcome.
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good. enjoy it.
 
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JayB93 said:
Big time development. Called Barry to discuss options and he is picking up a 9' Brunswick Mission table from customer near me that is moving and doesn't have room at new house. Delivery, setup and new Simonis cloth at super reasonable price. Will even move my old table down to the garage for me so I can more easily sell it on. Here is a stock photo of the table. Super happy with this surprise outcome.
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Nice! What size? Looks to be a solidly built table. Enjoy!

 
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JayB93 said:
Big time development. Called Barry to discuss options and he is picking up a 9' Brunswick Mission table from customer near me that is moving and doesn't have room at new house. Delivery, setup and new Simonis cloth at super reasonable price. Will even move my old table down to the garage for me so I can more easily sell it on. Here is a stock photo of the table. Super happy with this surprise outcome.
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That sounds good. Now do yourself a favor and see if Barry can "buy" your old table and save you the hassle of trying to sell it. Especially being apart, it's even harder to sell, cause folks won't know if parts are missing, etc. Plus, it's not gonna be worth much anyways, so why bother, you might just toss it in the deal if he removes it out of the house for ya. just saying.
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
That sounds good. Now do yourself a favor and see if Barry can "buy" your old table and save you the hassle of trying to sell it. Especially being apart, it's even harder to sell, cause folks won't know if parts are missing, etc. Plus, it's not gonna be worth much anyways, so why bother, you might just toss it in the deal if he removes it out of the house for ya. just saying.
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I tried. He won't take it even for free because it's not up to the quality of the tables he likes to deal in. I can respect that. I'm listing it for $300 because I did already buy new pockets and will let those go with it ($100), though I would take less to see it find a new home.
 
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JayB93 said:
I tried. He won't take it even for free because it's not up to the quality of the tables he likes to deal in. I can respect that. I'm listing it for $300 because I did already buy new pockets and will let those go with it ($100), though I would take less to see it find a new home.
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Great news on the new table. We hope it's a good experience. As for the current table....if it's a hassle to sell...maybe consider donating to a church/VA, etc or any facility that people can enjoy it. The terms would have to be...Must be picked up/set up by experienced insured people.
 
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Great news indeed. 9' and a solid table at that. My old table went to a church and is now influencing a little hustler flock. Gold Crown's advice can be a serious tax deduction.
 
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JayB93 said:
This table frame is very light given it's all pine construction. Probably several hundred pounds lighter than a pro grade table.
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I doubt it, the GC IV oversized 8' frame only looks heavy, it's actually light weight Mahogany. Now if the GC frame was oak yeah, that would have been super heavy. I moved all the pieces of my GC IV into my house without much effort at all. Plus the feet are nearly 8 inches in diameter.

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Here's my GC IV oversized 8 recently assembled. Note I added additional beams to better support the ends of the slate.

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Sizing it up

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Slates installed, secured to frame (14 screws) seams filled and ready for cloth. Those 1 inch slates are HEAVY.

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JayB93 said:
Big time development. Called Barry to discuss options and he is picking up a 9' Brunswick Mission table from customer near me that is moving and doesn't have room at new house. Delivery, setup and new Simonis cloth at super reasonable price. Will even move my old table down to the garage for me so I can more easily sell it on. Here is a stock photo of the table. Super happy with this surprise outcome.
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That's sexy!
 
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coolidge said:
I doubt it, the GC IV oversized 8' frame only looks heavy, it's actually light weight Mahogany. Now if the GC frame was oak yeah, that would have been super heavy. I moved all the pieces of my GC IV into my house without much effort at all. Plus the feet are nearly 8 inches in diameter.

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Here's my GC IV oversized 8 recently assembled. Note I added additional beams to better support the ends of the slate.

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Sizing it up

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Finished

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Slates installed, secured to frame (14 screws) seams filled and ready for cloth. Those 1 inch slates are HEAVY.

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She's (your table) a brick....house. Pine and Mahogany similar density - depending on species of both pine maybe little less density. Sheer cubic volume of wood in your frame is at minimally 4x this dinky darling made with 8 construction grade pieces of 2x4, 2 construction grade pieces of 2x8, some 1x skirts around the perimeter, a few support blocks and four craptastically carved 6x6 pine legs. I could literally build this frame out of the scrap wood pile at my local Home Depot with a box a framing nails.

I'm 100% positive I could hammer throw our table frame over that mountain. Can you hammer throw yours? 🏋️‍♂️ LOL.

Jokes aside...beautiful craftsmanship. No comparison.
 

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JayB93 said:
She's (your table) a brick....house. Pine and Mahogany similar density - depending on species of both pine maybe little less density. Sheer cubic volume of wood in your frame is at minimally 4x this dinky darling made with 8 construction grade pieces of 2x4, 2 construction grade pieces of 2x8, some 1x skirts around the perimeter, a few support blocks and four craptastically carved 6x6 pine legs. I could literally build this frame out of the scrap wood pile at my local Home Depot with a box a framing nails.

I'm 100% positive I could hammer throw our table frame over that mountain. Can you hammer throw yours? 🏋️‍♂️ LOL.

Jokes aside...beautiful craftsmanship. No comparison.
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Is that a 2 sink bathroom vanity frame? Congrats on the 9' Mission, I could not cram a 9' into my space the oversize 8 just barely fit.
 
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